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Their CDN layer is believed to be written in C# yes

The best way to think of the architecture of this is it's EFS with a bidirectional sync to S3.

You can write into one and read out from the other and vice versa. Consistency guarantees kept within each but not between.


The workflow that GitHub has for prompting agent inside the ide itself is by far and away the nicest and most intuitive I've used.

Claude's integration looked like trash in comparison.

Why would I lock myself into a single vendor when I can have access to all models.

Also the GitHub subscription is a very good price.


Yeah, the workflow is superb. That’s what I miss most using Claude in a terminal inside VSCode. It doesn’t integrate with VSCode native diff tools like the native VSCode (GitHub Copilot does. The Claude extension in non-terminal mode is crap.

The two founders being early 20's with no background in compliance wasn't a red-flag?

Plus the 30u30 is now a signal.

I didn't know about them or think to check into the founders.

Someone leaked an internal Bookface chat from Garry Tan (YC CEO) saying:

  We have asked Delve to leave YC.

  YC is a community, not just an accelerator. The founders in our community have to trust each other, and we have to trust them. When that trust breaks down, there's really only one thing to do.

  We're not going to get into the details publicly. We wish them well.
https://x.com/___4o____/status/2040271468874076380

I have no direct knowledge of the accuracy of any of this. This is not my account.


"They've betrayed my trust but I wish them well" is an interesting statement.

Someone doing harm to you doesn't automatically mean you wish harm to them. Not that I necessarily take what Garry says at face value but it's definitely possible to unironically take this viewpoint.

"Betrayal" requires intent so it's not just any old harm.

That may not automatically mean you wish them harm in return, but I believe it would be very uncommon to not.


"Betrayal" also isn't the word that GT used.

It seems like an accurate paraphrase in the context of other known news about Delve, and it was shorter than "We trusted them to not do something intentionally fraudulent and then lie to us, and I believe they knowingly violated that trust by doing something intentionally fraudulent and lying to us."

This is a core tenet in at least one major religion

It's the polite way of saying goodbye when you actually mean "eff off"

People don’t realize that the people at the top of organizations are effectively like politicians in democratic systems only the vote comes in confidence; usually manipulative, lying, and deceptive because they are inherently dependent on maintaining perception of the people they rely on and underpin their roles and power.

One way in which they do that is to ride or effectively are selected by the system for their mastery of the psychological trick of positivity and optimism that predisposes people to follow and trust, e.g., even when someone betrays you, you “wish them well.

In such systems, courage and hard lines that enforce strict rules, discipline, and principles does not provide the leaders in that system the affordances and benefits of leadership. As has been indicated, the subject behaviors are not only not novel, nor are they unique. What precipitated this current action appears to be the egregious and probably violative nature of the behavior, not the behavior itself. The veneer of perception was pierced, which is the real trigger of action.

Just use my saying what I just said above as an example, there will be people who have not even read this last paragraph and will it will have the urge to down vote what I said solely on the basis that they want to punish me, the messenger, because I’m pointing out things that are very much true and not saying it in a positive manner. It causes feelings of discomfort and especially in American society today where everything is geared towards positivity and good feelings opium, not bad feelings, even if you’re being scammed or defrauded or lied to, you have to remain positive, say things in positive ways, be “constructive”.

I don’t know if it’s sustainable because it’s such a con job at its very core, an abusive confidence trick, maintaining the perception of confidence and optimism to keep people happy and positive and optimistic regardless of red flags; however, we shall all find out one day if no one being able to deal with reality anymore if it’s not wrapped some nicety, is sustainable. Hence, “They violated us/me” but “I wish them well”. See, they are wished well, so everything is fine and we just removed the bad apple, nothing to see here, keep being positive as the telescreen instructs you to.


"they can fuck off from where they came" would be a bit too intense even for Gary

I guess if he told them "die slow motherfuckers" as he's told others that wouldn't be too intense for him.

“We’re keeping our distance but we still own a piece of their company” might have done it?

It’s what you say to establish it’s a professional action taken for business reasons.

"I wish them well" is an idiom for "I never want to see them again".

Kinda like "bless your heart", which means nothing of the sort.


Why do non-Southerners keep insisting on this? Bless your heart can be said sincerely or ironically, like pretty much any other phrase.

The ironic usage makes for compelling dialogue and comports with stereotypes about Southerners as formal/restrained. So that's what ends up on television. At least that is how I think I came about having that impression.

> So that's what ends up on television.

Maybe 7-8 years ago I met an Iranian. They were genuinely shocked I wasn’t a cowboy hat wearing racist when I told them I was from the south.

I grew up in the Atlanta area.


Yeah, I get this a lot, especially from non-southern in-laws who think it's a hoot that they've "cracked the code" and can "speak southern". Being repeatedpy stereotyped to your face gets old pretty quick.

For folks who don't know, here's the best explanation I can offer from growing up in the Atlanta area (but well outside the perimeter):

"Bless your heart" is most commonly an expression of sympathy.

Sometimes, it's sympathetic towards the hardship someone's going through (e.g. "and right after his grandma passed, bless his heart.")

Sometimes it's sympathetic to the trouble someone went through (e.g. "oh bless your heart, you didn't have to go out of your way to bring extra! Thank you so much!")

And yes, sometimes it's an expression of sympathy for the fact that life must be hard for you because of your ignorance, stubbornness, stupidity, or arrogance (or some other such stunting quality) (e.g. "and he thinks he can graduate from Tech with those grades, bless his heart," or "bless his heart, I just don't think he's ever had anyone tell him no in his entire life.")


Yeah, it's a pretty versatile phrase that's hard to explain. But it does often have a connotation of childishness or naivety, even when used sincerely.

It is often used an expression of thanks or appreciation, but I associate that more with an elder speaking to someone younger.

Most of the time, it is an genuine expression of true empathy, but it's not uncommon to be used as a passive aggressive expression of false empathy. It's that childish connotation that give it the extra bite when used passive aggressively.

And that plausible deniability, where the phrase is used in a genuine context often enough that sometimes you can't tell that someone is throwing shade, is very much a reflection of southern culture.

Source: Grew up in Georgia and North Carolina, with some family in Alabama.


You mean kinds like "I wish them well" here?

My comment is an internet comment about idioms, not a comprehensive linguistic treatise.

You seem like you're looking for something to be upset about. I wish you well.


but should it be?

The gstack is also pretty interesting.. well, not really

It's giving Gwyneth Paltrow at the conclusion of her ski crash trial.

"Bless their little hearts"

Apparently Garry Tan has the same warm feelings and friendly relationship with Delve as Trump has with Ghislaine Maxwell.

Trump On Ghislaine Maxwell: "I Just Wish Her Well" | NBC News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC2jsRrzCrs


Everyone one of us makes mistakes. Wish all well and see what the future brings.

It wasn't a mistake, they did it on purpose.

Don't you wish well on people you don't want to associate with? It would be interesting if you didn't, imo.

> people you don't want to associate with

That’s an oversimplification of what your parent comment said, which was someone who has betrayed your trust.

> It would be interesting if you didn't

Why? What’s interesting about it? You don’t have to actively wish harm on people who harmed you, but there’s nothing strange about not wishing them well.


You make it sound like wishing harm or wishing wellness are activities while not wishing anything is just the default passive state. To me the default posture is not indifference, but wishing wellness.

We throw around words like "interesting", which is a subtle way to say "not normal", which is a subtle way to say that that's not how we would behave and that we think that others shouldn't behave that way either. So I take back what I said about what is interesting to me, and I'll just say that I wish it was normal to wish well to others, regardless of their actions or repercussions you impose on them.


> You make it sound like wishing harm or wishing wellness are activities while not wishing anything is just the default passive state. To me the default posture is not indifference, but wishing wellness.

It looks like you've misinterpreted both what I said and what latexr said. Allow me to clarify and reorient the conversation back to the original direction...

First, neither of us is the universal subject. Your default feeling and my default feeling are not "the" default feeling. There's no such thing as "the" default feeling.

Second, nothing I or they said has anything to do with any "default passive state", because this is not a "default passive" situation. The word "betray" here is important. "Betrayal" happens actively, not passively. Feel however you want to feel about your passive default situations. This situation is different.

The only way someone can "betray" trust is by invalidating trust on purpose. If they harm you on purpose without trust, they have not betrayed any trust because there was none. If they invalidate trust accidentally, they have not "betrayed" the trust. They only "betray" your trust if you put trust in them and then they invalidate the trust intentionally.

> I'll just say that I wish it was normal to wish well to others, regardless of their actions

How very noble. Anyway, sorry Siddhartha, if someone actively "betrays" me they can go die in a fire. That has nothing to do with my "default passive" feeling about people.


I agree there's no universal default or normal. That was my point too. We are in agreement that betrayal and purposeful harmfulness don't have a default reaction. I expressed how I choose to react, and you expressed how you choose to react. Our choices don't match, and I think that's ok.

I've not read Siddhartha. I take it you didn't like it.


> You make it sound like wishing harm or wishing wellness are activities while not wishing anything is just the default passive state.

Not what I said.

> To me the default posture is not indifference, but wishing wellness.

Same here. I’m not convinced that’s the default state for everyone, though. David Foster Wallace’s “This is Water” comes to mind.

> We throw around words like "interesting", which is a subtle way to say "not normal", which is a subtle way to say that that's not how we would behave and that we think that others shouldn't behave that way either.

Sure, I get that. Though you’re still answering as if what was in question was the neutral state of “people you don’t associate with” rather than the negative state in question mentioned by your original parent comment of “someone who has wronged you”.

> I'll just say that I wish it was normal to wish well to others, regardless of their actions or repercussions you impose on them.

Interesting. No criticism on my part. My wish would rather be that we don’t wrong each other (which, crucially, requires intentionality) in the first place. And while I don’t typically wish ill on others, I don’t think it’s wrong to not wish well on those who cause harm. If you’re a despot oppressing millions of people for your own selfish benefit, I don’t really think wishing you well is a positive action.

But again, no judgement, I was trying to understand your position, so thank you for clarifying. Have a nice weekend.


No, if I believed wishes, hopes and prayers affected anything why would I waste the finite quantity of them on random people let alone people I professionally separated myself from?

As Donald Draper once said "I don't think about you at all."


If you would rewatch Mad Men, you might notice that Donald Draper is not well adjusted. It's not subtle either.

What makes you say that wishes are finite? Do you ration them out to your loved ones?


We have finite time, considering ones wishes towards someone takes a portion of that time even if it is a very small fraction of time.

If we get into it, I think that beliefs are a better abstraction that wishes. Beliefs structure relationships. How does a person believe that he relates to another person. So when I think of "wishing someone well", it's an English-language nuance that makes it an activity, but in reality it's a choice of what beliefs I hold. And, I find, the only beliefs that are a chore to carry around are those that don't serve me.

Is this the first time Bookface screenshots have been published publicly?

The text implies it’s more due to the alleged license violation of a YC startup’s IP than the alleged fraud.

Really? I know nothing about this other than what I've read here, but my first guess was the breakdown in trust means the allegations of fake audits.

I was half-joking, but if YC has a legal issue resulting from the alleged fraud (unclear currently), kicking out the company for the lesser infraction would make more sense.

Investors aren't on the hook for the bad behavior of companies they invest in. Quite the opposite: Defrauding investors (and acquirers, and creditors) is commonly the thing that lands people like Elizabeth Holmes in prison.

Ycombinator may have financially benefited from the scam operations since the company subsequently raised funds.

Considering they do due diligence before investment and are experts in IT and legal, how could they not know what is the business model when it was the unique selling point ?


Because Delve defrauded them.

Yeah, yeah... of course, of course... like telehealth companies prescribing GLP-1 Ozempic/Wegovy where there is one doctor for 10000 patients. Totally sounds legit.

It is very clearly the fake audits.

Hi, sorry, just new to this entire story, could you please share light on the fake audits? Trying to understand what exactly happened.


Thanks!

I understand there are also certs involved with tesla vehicles communicating with a supercharger as well.

>Even French-turned-American tech companies like Datadog have tried to maintain a presence in France

While started by two French founders, Datadog was always an American company. It was only post IPO they started hiring in France (for more than local sales roles).


In 2017 (so really before the IPO), the Paris office was already at at least 50 people, most of them in engineering.


I think the OVH datacenter was also built of wood and right next to another "independent" datacenter which also burned down when the fire spread.

OVH is about cheap, not quality.

Like hetzner they come from the vps/hosting end of the market which is all about cutting corners, packing vms, overselling, etc. Very much the cowboy end of the market.


And I will say again, we couldn’t get insurance without the halon system.


The biggest advantage physical voting has it is follows human-scaling laws. Which often is a problem (inefficient) but for voting this is a massive benefit for one particular reason - due to lack of automation any fraud doesn't also benefit from the same automation so has to be large scale and widely distributed for it to be impactful (the fraud has to be distributed to the humans involved). Which isn't to say that it can't happen (and does!) but requires a lot more effort and in the physical world there always a lot more fingerprints left, cameras looking, informants, etc.


This probably only works properly in the developed countries. In developing countries like India we suffered through decades of "booth captures" [1] where armed gangs would take over a polling booth and cast votes for their political candidate at gun point. Villagers would be disallowed from casting their votes. In many instances, the polling booth itself would be set on fire, ensuring that those votes are never counted.

With EVMs the polling officer can just deactivate the machine (which stops the counting at that moment) making booth capturing pointless.

Not saying this is not possible in developed countries. It could very well happen sometime in the future where armed gangs take over polling booths (especially if the candidate in question is bound to lose due to corruption/scandal and needs to cling onto political power to prevent himself/herself from going to prison).

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booth_capturing


> This probably only works properly in the developed countries. In developing countries like India we suffered through decades of "booth captures" [1] where armed gangs would take over a polling booth and cast votes for their political candidate at gun point. Villagers would be disallowed from casting their votes. In many instances, the polling booth itself would be set on fire, ensuring that those votes are never counted.

Yeah, but these are visible! They provide evidence that the voting was not fair.

Compare to electronic voting, where a capture might be done and no one ever finds out.

We want rigging of elections to be visible. That's the whole point.


I mean looks like booth capture can only capture a booth at most and to capture more you practically need armed rebellion. But if we automate it, then you only need to capture a location to capture all booths in the region.


I don't think any system can do much if things have degraded to the point where armed gangs are running around with impunity. I think systems (paper or otherwise) presuppose a certain level of functional civil society


> Not saying this is not possible in developed countries. It could very well happen sometime in the future where armed gangs take over polling booths…

I fully expect this happening more as the systems degrade in the west and, arguably, it already has happened several times now in many different ways, even if executed in more “sophisticated” ways that make it less apparent.

What do you call the many “color revolutions” the US and EU have now perpetrated in many different ways and places? The ”gang” was just a state level actor with immense resources and methods that exceed the local capacity to prevent them… just like a local gang using arms to take over a local polling booth.

There are declassified versions of old and obsolete CIA guides on how to conduct the precursors of such “color revolutions” through long term “capacity building” that is then activated if/when necessary. That’s the voluntarily declassified manual of the CIA; someone might suggest there are more effective instructions that are classified.

There have also been medium sophistication level events like what has happened over the last several years in Europe, where Merkel ordered an election result cancelled through technicalities because she/the literal The Party, did not like the result (I guess you can take the woman out of the dictatorship…), the EU simply used the judiciary to force a “runoff” because the election results were not to its liking, de facto canceling elections, or even all the subtle measures like visually misrepresenting election results where the bar or pie chart does not match the numerical data to suppress public mandate and perceptions about results, i.e., higher result numbers being represented by smaller bars than lower numbers.

I would argue they are all examples of the very same things you describe, the equivalent of “…gangs take over polling booths…” only it’s done through process, authority, policy, or even law and those in power tell themselves they’re doing it for “our democracy” and justified through similar dystopian, narcissistic, megalomanic, authoritarian mindsets; “I need to be in power for your own good because you don’t know any better”.

It could go both ways, either things will increasingly start degrading even more as the power slips out of the “gang’s”hands, and the system starts crumbling around them; or if “digital voting” is fully implemented there will essentially be “backdoors” to make sure the powers can “preserve our democracy” just like they need OS backdoors and media control to “protect the children”, which coincidentally seems to always coincide with them remaining in power and control and the people not even being asked about major upheavals of their society and their votes being effectively meaningless because the agenda is continuous regardless of election results.

It’s like those people who used to play slot machines at the casino, (now doing so digitally on their phones) pounding at the buttons that do absolutely nothing since the algorithm is what determines where the spin ends, not them rapidly hitting an essentially dead button just because the “clicking”, the “voting”, makes them think they have control. . . . “our democracy” where you and I are not part of that “our”.


The other advantage in physical voting is that so many people are needed to participate in the process. The probability of aligned bad actors goes down significantly when the voting process is a civic responsibility shared by volunteers who monitor each other. It's not perfect but public participation adds to the legitimacy of the process itself.


Sorting physical ballots is very easy to automate. You get the security of paper with the speed of computing.


In Washington State we get mailed ballots, which we fill in and mail in.

But the ballots are not even printed on security paper. They don't have a serial number on them, either.


The filled out ballot is intended to be fully anonymous.

It is then slipped into a security sleeve to make it harder to read within the envelope.

The envelope is sealed and signed by the citizen.

Security is provided by the envelope which is the attestation that the citizen cast their ballot. Offhand, the county voting office is likely required to retain the ballot as part of the state/federal records. I haven't checked but that or a centralized ballot repository are the only things that make sense.


Once the ballot is removed from the envelope, it is just a sheet of paper with votes on it. There's no name, serial number, or signature on it.

Hence "stuffing" in more ballots cannot be detected.

Printing the ballots on security paper will not eliminate this risk, but it will make it much harder.

I don't know if there is an auditable "chain of custody" of ballots from mailbox to the counting center. The fraud here would be "losing" ballots that are from precincts that tilt significantly in one direction or another.


There's bigger issue than stuffing. In "rural" Hungary chain voting is customary where people are taken to the voting place by gangs and are either awarded with some money or a bag of potatoes, or threatened to be beaten if they do not comply. The first voter of the chain goes in, takes the ballot, hides it and takes it out. It is then pre-filled by the gang. The next voters take the prefilled ballot in, throw it in the box and bring a fresh clean ballot out, and so on...

In other cases, people get money/bag of potatoes for a photo of their correctly filled ballot.


> Hence "stuffing" in more ballots cannot be detected.

The whole envelope opening and ballot counting process is recorded and streamed live from multiple angles.

https://kingcounty.gov/en/dept/elections/about-us/security-a...


That sounds good. But it doesn't account for the ballot from your mail box to the processing center. Nor does it check citizenship & residency status. Ballot harvesting is also legal and takes place in Washington state.


Those things are checked based on the envelope, as other people already pointed out to you in this thread.


Other people pointed out other things to me, not those.


The Turkish citizen who did a mass shooting in a mall voted in Washington.


>The envelope is sealed and signed by the citizen.

Alas, the signature must reasonably match one on file (from somewhere ... presumably a state ID) or the ballot may be rejected. Since human signatures can vary wildly for reasons, this non-deterministic feature requires a human guess for -each- ballot. No mechanism to dispute that decision.


Mine has been disputed several times (because it changed due to name change and wasn't updated). There is a very clear mechanism to dispute that decision, and in fact that's why they ask for your phone number and/or email on the envelope--so when they want to dispute it, they have a way of contact for you to do what's necessary to make the ballot count (provisionally, only if the race is close enough for your vote to matter).


Isn't the advantageous fraud easy to do?

Sheriff monitors the ballot box (ex. Jimmy Carter's opponent).

Only allow loyalists to count the result (and then report w/e you want; ex. Russia).


It's not fraud is difficult to do, it's difficult to do so without people noticing. The problem of r-country is not that fraud is not discovered, they problem is they are not capable to course-correct (in general, but in regards to having elections specifically)


It's also very difficult to scale. For one voting site you might need a few people to force it, plus a few more counting the votes. For thousands of sites you need many thousands of people.

Versus e-voting where may conceivably manage to swing the vote with a handful of people.


> Versus e-voting where may conceivably manage to swing the vote with a handful of people.

No the thing you're missing is that the ballots are always electronically counted. Sure, at the very low level they'll manually count each ballot but the sums are then provided to different people electronically who then report the combined total sum.

But also a handful of people can just remove registered voters to have the same effect.

The fraud is easy to scale though because it if you win local offices you can use that to control state offices which you can then uses to control federal offices.


They are counted by hand in Denmark. We used to post the results on physical paper at the voting site afterwards + have them published for the entire country (including a list of the votes at each voting site) in the national papers.

If the local results anywhere were different from those published in the papers, people would notice. If they were different in different papers, or in different parts of the country, people would notice.

We have, unfortunately, switched to a list on a website instead of in the papers :(


That's not difficult to scale if you already are a nation-state actor.


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