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Really? No.


It’s open enough that a poor person working freelance for $5 per hour on the other side of the world can use it for free to enhance their work.

Sure you can bleat on and on that it’s not GPL blah blah.

But I see some VA’s who have English as a third language step up their game and be able to be more efficient?

They don’t have to pay a cent. Just have an internet connection and an e-mail address and they are on the same playing field as you.

That’s open enough for me. And for the vast number of people outside the HN ivory tower.


That's not the definition of open. Nobody is saying the tech is not useful. Of course is useful ! but is not open as the boast.


That’s like saying generative AI is not real AI.


It isn't. Having it be gratis doesn't make it more libre.

https://directus.io/blog/libre-vs-gratis-what-is-free-and-op...


People keep saying I’m “anti woke and anti tran$”.

But it’s things like this that give me pause. Why not just not read the books you don’t like??

I love to re-read books I like every few years.

Similarly If someone said that people should accept the fine ladies from the local gentleman’s clubs coming over to teach an 8 year old kid about their lives - everyone would be up in arms.

Instead why not allow the fine ladies from the gentleman’s club to teach their 8 year old kid these things at home and then the local butcher can teach their 8 year old kid about their lives and principles at their home also? Shouldn’t classrooms be for the basics?

And I (as a 58 year old black man) loved the original little mermaid! I remember going to see it with my girlfriend decades ago - was a magical day.

Instead of changing the original story and characters, why not do something original instead?

See how all of this stuff does not make sense anymore?

Now because my eyes are going bad I listen to audible. Will I have to listen to a changed version of these books instead?

The world has gone mad.

Bruh.


> Instead of changing the original story and characters, why not do something original instead?

It’s also kind of bullshit that like Italians got their own new content and original characters (Rocky, etc.) and everyone else has to settle for being ret-conned into existing content.


Since Justin Trudeau did blackface, I guess Hollywood took that as a signal it was ok to do that with their characters shrug


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When their careers is something that is suitable for 18 years and older I would agree with you.

Otherwise you’re deliberately ignoring the elephants in the room.


That escalated quickly. Considered eating a Snickers?


Yeah it’s sucks how he was let go. But he will get paid.

But for the first time I’m using Twitter more than HN , which has jumped the shark.

Elon’s accomplishments? - helped start openai

- runs the biggest rocket company that makes a new raptor engine every day.

- runs one of the biggest car companies.

- just eliminated rare earth metals for new generation of motors.

- runs Twitter which is undeniably more active and popular than ever.

No matter what you think about the dude, doing all that stuff is going to make you a dick.

But then again, it’s the dicks that make the world we live in.


runs the biggest rocket company

That would be Boeing Defense, Space & Security (50,000 employees and $23.3 billion in revenue vs 12,000 employees and $2 billion revenue)

runs one of the biggest car companies.

Tesla, with it's $81 billion in revenue, doesn't even crack the the top ten.

just eliminated rare earth metals for new generation of motor

Just announced it would eliminate rare earth metals. This will be a great thing if/when it happens, but it hasn't happened yet.

runs Twitter which is undeniably more active and popular than ever.

Annual users appears to be up, but down in the US [0]. But if we use annual users as a proxy for "active and popular" then I'll give this to you.

So, 1 for 4.

[0] https://www.businessofapps.com/data/twitter-statistics/

Edit: taking chroma’s post at face value, you’re at 50%.


SpaceX is a private company so they don't publish revenue numbers. Also your revenue estimate is from 2018. Current estimations put their 2022 revenue at $3.2B. And BDS does much more than orbital rocket launches. They are the third largest defense contractor in the world. Most of their revenue comes from manufacturing aircraft. Except for ICBMs, BDS's orbital launches are conducted by ULA, which has less revenue and fewer employees than SpaceX.

But employee count and revenue aren't the most accurate way to compare the two companies. The best metric is, "How much payload did you launch to orbit?" Last year SpaceX sent twice as much mass to orbit as the rest of the world combined. They have landed more rockets than ULA has launched. SpaceX also holds the record for most consecutive orbital launches without a partial or complete mission failure. This year they have averaged one orbital launch every 4.5 days. ULA has not launched a single time this year.

There are many good criticisms of Elon's companies, but it's silly to claim that SpaceX isn't the biggest rocket company.


Plenty of people that make the world we live in are not dicks. This take is very reductive towards all those people while overmagnifying Elon’s personal role in his companies’ successes.

As an example, Iceland’s 2022 person of the year also founded an agency that was hugely influential for tech messaging and branding over the last few years, and he has a reputation as being a really great guy.


Old boy's company was acquired by Twitter, with a contract where he was retained. If it's the standard deal, he only gets paid out if he stays the term in the contract (because old boy was a huge part of the 'assets' that were acquired). Now, instead of explicitly firing old boy (which would then require Musk fulfill the acquisition contract and pay dude) Musk/HR get super squishy. Real men keep their promises and fulfill contracts that they have made. It's not just that Musk is a dick, it's that we're seeing he's not a man of his word but a creature of convenience to himself.

The fact the he's screwing someone who instead of letting the fact they were dealt a bad hand stop them but instead pushed to be the top and what they could do (so like the highest idea of a man and what is impressive in a person) makes the contrast even sharper.


> Yeah it’s sucks how he was let go. But he will get paid.

Will he? Musk is currently stiffing Twitter's contractors and vendors, as he has done in the past at Tesla.


Cough, cough... HN?

"Keep body text at 16px or above

16px is the default text size in most browsers. Text below this size gets harder to read, so it’s safest to avoid it for body text. The higher you go beyond 16px, the easier the text is to read."


Out of curiosity, I played around with HN font size: by default on my monitor is 12px, at 13px is almost the same, at 14px is great, 16px is not better than 14px so it is wasting screen space. I think it depends a lot on the pixel physical size, that means diagonal and resolution.


Hacker News was designed by someone who considers design a waste of time and a distraction from the purity of information, and who made the site ugly and awkward on purpose to keep normies away. Honestly we're lucky it looks as good as it does.


One "feature" of an aggressively simplistic design is that it's relatively easy to customize. Here is my personal take (I use stylus extension for firefox to inject the css) https://gist.github.com/Angelore/77999cc2152dfbcd38f18ba6a7a...


IMO, HN looks better than many sites created by professional designers. It allows you to actually read the content instead of waiting ten seconds for the page to load, then scrolling through kilometers of whitespace and unrelated “hero images”.


>It allows you to actually read the content instead of waiting ten seconds for the page to load, then scrolling through kilometers of whitespace and unrelated “hero images”.

I'm able to read the content on every site I visit even when it has whitespace and images but to each their own. I'm glad Hacker News serves your needs.


I'm glad you have a fast unlimited internet connection and a big screen. Not everyone has that privilege.


Text should have the same size today is it did in the 90s. If your monitor has a higher resolution then please use DPI scaling isntead of wasting screen space for everyone else. That way old websites will still be readable without having to update everything.


HN would have rendered at the equivalent of 16px (exactly, actually) on a 90s computer. The issue here is that Apple and Windows assume two different default DPIs for a 90s computer (72 vs 96dpi), and as result, what 1pt is can differ by 1/3rd.


Well spotted.

That's the only point on his list that is 100% wrong. The rest is actually spot on.


Hustle bros were there since the beginning of time.

Think about that.

Every new thing for thousands of years someone always jumped on it for short term $$$ gain.

The hustle bros have a firm place in the ecosystem and the internet has just put a magnifying glass on the movement and made the hustle faster and easier.

Don’t hate the player (or the game), for they are as old as time.


"for they are as old as time" really isn't a justification for not disliking the player or the game. Shit is also around since the beginning of time, and we still generally avoid rolling in it.


Its the naturalistic fallacy.

Murder has also been around since the beginning of time...


I can hate it but yes they are as old as time.


The earliest we know of: 1750BCE Ur.

>Nanni created the cuneiform letter for delivery to Ea-nasir. Inscribed on it is a complaint to Ea-nasir about a copper delivery of the incorrect grade, and issues with another delivery;[9] Nanni also complained that his servant (who handled the transaction) had been treated rudely. He stated that, at the time of writing, he had not accepted the copper, but had paid the money for it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-nasir


You can hate the player and the game. It’s not old as time. Capitalism and our current economic model as we know it isn’t as old as time.

Yes there were always hustlers and con artists, but they’re not exactly well revered. Jumping into a space and f*king it up for short term game doesn’t deserve respect?


Con artists before the modern era were reigned in by their local communities. A grifter would gain a bad local reputation and find themselves unable to continue running their scheme as they'd run out of rubes to dupe. They'd have to leave to the next town if they wanted to keep grifting. But now with social media, grifters can instantly find a new audience of rubes who are unaware of their past exploits


I think it was easier to be a grifter back in ancient times. Low communication among victims. No photographs to identify you , no permanant records (or at least not like the internet)


Bigger distrust of outsiders, of course


Capitalism is as old as time. People save resources, build wealth, and reinvest it. Happened in ancient Assyria, Greece, Rome, Persia, forever. Trade is an emergent phenomena.

The hyper restricted model of capitalism we have, where every last damn thing is regulated and taxed, is the innovation that began in Amsterdam and has continued for 400 years. But the concept of markets, trade, investment, and building wealth is as old as humanity.


Humanity is much older than these cities.


>There are, it has been said, two types of people in the world. There are those who, when presented with a glass that is exactly half full, say: this glass is half full. And then there are those who say: this glass is half empty.

>The world belongs, however, to those who can look at the glass and say: What’s up with this glass? Excuse me? Excuse me? This is my glass? I don’t think so. My glass was full! And it was a bigger glass! Who’s been pinching my beer?

>And at the other end of the bar the world is full of the other type of person, who has a broken glass, or a glass that has been carelessly knocked over (usually by one of the people calling for a larger glass), or who had no glass at all, because he was at the back of the crowd and had failed to catch the barman’s eye.

- Terry Pratchett, The Truth


Christopher Columbus was a hustle bro of his time.


Dysentery is as old as time too.


This article reminds me of some guy on Twitter who says nothing in AI space has changed since 2020.

Maybe so.

But you know what’s changed? Someone decided to get their a$$ out of the AI labs, write a really simple interface just to “get it up” and released it to the world.

That definitely will trump anything else.

Release early and release often.

The author is just jealous.


Most SPA is totally unnecessary and a big waste of time.

People are worrying about the speed of SSR when they should be worrying about the developer time on the client which is several orders of magnitude more.

I think people have fallen in love so much with complex Javascript frameworks that they’ve forgotten how easy it is to get to an MVP with SSR.

Speed is important.

Speed of development is even more important for businesses in this era who have to get to revenue faster.

And that’s why things like Phoenix LiveView and its counterparts in other languages is catching on so quickly.

People are getting fatigued with the latest flavor of the month JS framework.

But what do I know… I’m just a lowly “developer” working for crumbs. Never even finished a CS degree. Sigh.


For simple projects it really doesn't make much difference. Depending on your available tools, client-side or server-side rendering might be easier. In the end the only difference is what is going down the wire: data or HTML.

That said, client-side rendering is strictly more general than server-side rendering. So I prefer to use client-side rendering everywhere so that I don't have to switch between two different modalities and maintain two sets of tooling (or worse switch in the middle of a project!) I gather this is against the current fashion but whatever.


There comes a point in a project where the amount of client-side features requested makes you wish you had started with a fully-fledged modern framework like React. New features could be a single React component plus some updates to existing callbacks, and a new API call, but instead requires adding to a big accreting ball of HTML templates and a hodge-podge of vanilla (and maybe jQuery) js amounting to a bespoke framework that someone had to develop to manage the complexity.

I absolutely love Django and old-style web frameworks, but they are not without their own complexity risks.


Makes HUGE difference. All the front-end work is another complete app with all the work that entails.


Wow, big claims of gains without any proof. Why?


Visited Japan and loved it.

BUT.

The rest of the world treats Japan as something "special". All the media/manga/anime/pr0n/temples/culture and people.

What I've learned traveling to various countries in the region?

There's nothing really special about Japan, it's people, or it's media.

The country and its denizens have been blown out of proportion with a kind of reputation that's out of this world... for the past 50 years. Yeah I look forward to going back and meeting more people next time -- but it's just a super-ordinary place.

Remember "Big in Japan"?

Nothing special. Go home.


I've lived here for over ten years and generally agree with you. I love it here, but I also feel that some westerners treat Japan with a "specialness" or "exoticness" that it doesn't quite deserve.


Yes. I've been here almost that long. Mostly in the rural areas. It's just a nice normal place.. I think there are a few problems with perceptions of Japan. not being part of the anglo-sphere, most of the everyday stuff doesn't make it in front of western eyes. What does is filtered through journalists, like the BBC guy, who have to fit their stories into certain safe tropes. Another big place of interflow of culture is with manga/anime subcultures, which are produced and consumed by a very specific part of Japanese society in the first place, then exoticised a great deal by the types of internet communities where it is popular.


> Another big place of interflow of culture is with manga/anime subcultures, which are produced and consumed by a very specific part of Japanese society in the first place, then exoticised a great deal by the types of internet communities where it is popular.

More niche but in a similar vein I was a bit disappointed to find not everyone was an extreme metalhead in Norway and that most people were normal too.


Japan is a normal place. Americans are arriving are surprised because it's America that isn't a normal place.


Sometimes capitalism works!


This site is wholly subsidized by YC and could not stand on its own, so I'm not sure it's a straightforward example of capitalism working...


How is this not a straightforward example of capitalism? This site is privately owned, therefore it is free to flow in the capital market.


It's not a straightforward example of capitalism because it doesn't earn enough through its service to support itself, and must be propped up by an otherwise external entity.

The concept of "private ownership" is not definitionally identical to the concept of "capitalism", I hope you realize...


Private ownership and the protection of those property rights are exactly what capitalism is. As long as there is no coercive entity dictating what YC can and cannot do with it's capital then HN absolutely is a product of capitalism.

Capitalism doesn't mean "earn[ing] enough through its service to support itself". Why do you think that people are not free to finance sites that promote other branches of their business under capitalism?


People are free to finance whatever they want, I don't care, it's just not a "straightforward" example of capitalism when they do.

Spend money to make a thing -> sell that thing for more than it cost to make it. That's not happening here.


That's an interesting misconception of what capitalism is. I had not seen that one before. Thank you for sharing.


For what it's worth, I Googled "Define: capitalism" and when I saw:

> an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.

I synthesized this to what I wrote above. If you disagree that's fine, but I think "for profit" is a critical aspect of capitalism, and while it's arguably true that HN provides YC with "a profit" it's an intangible and indirect one, which to me is not "straightforwardly capitalistic".


I'll admit I was a bit snarky but my thanks was genuine - I enjoy learning why people believe the things they do.

Anyways, my final argument is if an individual asset of a company doesn't directly generate revenue yet increases company profit, would it not be "un-capitalistic" if that company were to extinguish that asset? It seems to me that throwing away profit would be antithetical to that definition of capitalism.

The $30k espresso machine in the Google office does nothing to generate revenue, however it helps Google become more competitive in the labor market which (at least they think) increases profit. None of these situations are edge cases, they are just natural outcomes that exist when people are free to compete. If it is expected that a decision will lead to a profit, it seems straightforward that one would make that decision.

It was fun discussing this with you, I hope you have a good day.


That sounds capitalistic, just not "straightforward" is all I was trying to say.


Please don't be snarky and please make your substantive points without swipes. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.


That's an interesting question. It's true that HN doesn't earn revenue and that it could not stand on its own. But it's also true that YC is more valuable with HN than without it. I think you have to mark that in capitalism's column, even if it's a weird edge case.

Maybe more companies should be more open to more weird edge cases and maybe that would make them richer and therefore more capitalist? I don't know.


My focus was on the word "straightforward" more so than trying to argue that HN isn't "capitalism".

It's definitely capitalism, and arguably highly effective at that, I just don't think it's "straightforward" is all.


Ah ok. I agree!


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