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The Germans invented that too. That’s why the label Made In Germany exists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_Germany


The countries that comprise the EU had been among the biggest warmongers for centuries. The EU is the most successful peace project the continent has ever seen. And the reason for that is that every country refrained from trying to be a superpower on the continent.

The European mentality has real, tangible upsides for its continent. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work well in a larger world where other actors don’t share the same experience and values.

Just wanted to put that into perspective.


The results are not reproducable, as evidenced by parent poster.

isn't that kind of the point of non-determinism?

No. Good nondeterministic models reproducibly generate equally desirable output - not identical output, but interchangeable.

oh I see, thank you for clarifying

Both points sound really weak I‘m afraid. From the perspective of a ruler of a country, both are much larger attack vectors for adversaries than opportunities for myself.

I see your point, but I think the anger comes from the fact that

1. the title was unneccessarily editorialized, 2. the word gamified is used wrong here, and 3. There was never any good reason to add the word gamified to the title, other than adding a buzzword.

The feedback people give is probably a bit harsh, but I find it understandable. If you don’t know what a term means, don’t use it - especially not if it’s completely unnecessary as in this case.


Agreed. Shouldn't have used the term without proper understanding as it gives a totally different meaning in hindsight. Sorry for that

Well, on mobile the underlying operating system is moving so fast that companies must continue to update their apps or else they stop working. It's the absolute inverse situation to the backwards compatibility story of Windows. That kind of backwards compatibility is a wet dream for every mobile developer.

I don't believe this is generally true. I have automatic updates for apps disabled on both my Android phones and iOS devices, and regularly use some apps that were installed years ago.

There are obviously going to be some exceptions for apps that rely on specific types of system services, of course.


You're not the average user if you have auto updates disabled. Notice you also said "some" apps, well, most do need to keep up with OS updates or fall behind.

I did not claim to be the average user. Most of my apps do not get updated unless they rely on APIs that force them to update. Furthermore, I have several android apps I published over 15 years ago that still function without updates on the newest version of Android.

What updates do you think need to be made to not “fall behind”? There aren’t many other than things like integration with Google Play services or App Store subscription billing.


The maintenance effort required on iOS is substantial. About a quarter of your full-time year needs to be dedicated to it.

On desktop, you can just publish your software and slowly see it age as you work on your next big release. On iOS, it ages every year at brutal pace, and your new sales will plummet while you work on your next big release, meaning your revenue crashes much faster.

Even worse, the iOS App Store has no notion of paid upgrades, and publishing a new app is basically like starting from scratch as far as discoverability goes. So when you finally have your next big release ready, it's like launching a completely new company.

Apple really wants developers to make subscription apps that ship frequent iterative changes, and other business models just simply don't work well on their mobile platform (on Android it's even worse btw).


And for those not so tightly in the loop: how does it compare?

And where exactly does Austria plan to dump its nuclear waste? Which beautiful mountain should become unclimbable?

Nuclear waste storage has way higher public acceptance problems than power cables.


You took the wrong bait. Fracking is far worse for mountains than the relatively tiny amount of impact that nuclear waste has. Look it up.

I don’t disagree. But good luck explaining that to the general public.

Because untrustworthy websites can piggyback on the brand name.

"Download ffmpeg here: sudo bash -c ..."

And then the installation script from our malicious site installs ffmpeg just fine, plus some stuff you have no idea about. And you never know that you've just been hacked.


Can you repeat this mental exercise for every other installation method you can think of? e.g. distributing deb/rpm files, distributing AppImages, asking users to add your custom repository and signing key?

(Yes I know that the last one has built-in benefits for automatic updates but that's not going to protect you on initial installation and its benefits can be replicated in a more portable way in any other auto-update mechanism with a similar amount of effort)

((And if you have the patience to set up a custom repository, you can simplify initial installation process using a "curl|bash" script))


If you get your install instructions from an untrustworthy website, there’s nothing preventing them from telling you to use a third-party apt repository or ppa that gives you a malicious version of the thing.

There’s not really a difference between curl piped to bash, and installing packages from a third-party package repository that the distro maintainers have no involvement in with.


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