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Your Holocaust inversion is not only morally wrong, it is also factually incorrect.

Care to explain?

Parent comment is implying that an ally (Israel) is performing a holocaust. In fact, there have been a good dozen genocides in the past century which I would agree fit the term, but not the conflict that Israel is involved with.

The anti-Israel and anti-US side typically take an argument or incident from Israeli or US history or culture and invert it. A good example is the common Hebrew expression "No other land" - we have culture and songs about that, as well as jokes and it is a common expression in everyday speech. After October 7th, as part of the propaganda campaigns against Israel, that phrase was used as the title of an anti-Israel movie highlighting that another population has "no other land". Inversion of our culture.

Holocaust inversion - accusing Israel of perpetrating a holocaust - is this particular example.


As far as I'm aware, when a country sets out to exterminate* a race, that's a holocaust. Am I wrong?

* Often the torture is the point, and they don't completely eradicate the race because then they wouldn't be able to keep torturing them


Israel never set out to exterminate, Israel set out to get her hostages back - including babies under a year old.

You know who did set out to exterminate? Hamas, who in their very own charter state their intention to eradicate the Jews: https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

I suggest reading this article which explains the propaganda campaigns that followed the October 7th attacks on Israel: https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words

Only one side is calling for genocide, and it is the Arab side - propaganda and disinformation campaigns aside.


Please make the same analysis for Germany in regard to the Gleiwitz radio station

To other readers: Parent is suggesting that the 6000 Gazans who breached the Israeli border on October 7th 2023 and killed 1200 people, mutilated bodies, beheaded humans and dogs alike, raped women, and took over 250 hostages including infants... Parent is suggesting that these people were undercover Israeli agents performing a false flag operation.

I was waiting to see how long it took for someone to "make this about Palestine" - their strategy is to inundate all discussion with the topic.

Over half the journalists in the Gaza Strip are affiliated with Hamas. Many of them infiltrated Israel in 2023, and some of them held Israeli hostages in their homes, including children hostages.

https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/abou


So Israel killing "bad journalists" is fine, but Russian are killing only the good ones?

Nice world to live in.

You should know that any country can declare a journalist a foreign spy, a terrorist, but does it give them right to kill?

Without due process, without trial? Because someone says "they are Hamas".

It's Godwin time.


Hamas claims that the journalists are Hamas, not Israel. And I'm not declaring any journalist "good" or "bad". I'm stating that a Hamas member is a valid target. Him moonlighting as a journalist does not change that.

Every claim need to be proven and everyone deserves a process. In a democracy of course, it may be different in a fascist state committing a holocaust.

That's not how things work when you are participating in hostilities in an active war zone. What a ridiculous statement to make.

That site seems completely unbiased and not at all fed by the propaganda coming out of Israel. Thanks for finding such a reliable and trustworthy source.

Me too. I don't connect my phone to my Google account. I understand that the Play store is enticing, but there are other options. Some of which are actually better.

  > failsafe timers and dead-man switches when testing new things.
Aircraft and spacecraft are more than anything, mass constrained. Such failsafes are welcome in software, but neither the bleeding-edge engineers not even the test pilots would support adding failsafe mass if it would affect the tests.

Details, details. That's mearly an implementation issue.

This is probably one of the most important comments on HN, seriously. A concise summary that once we get the model right, the emergent behaviour matches observations.

Very reminiscent of the Casimir effect experiments.


No, the AI is still our responsibility.

Isn't it insane that even in the face of complete annihilation through one of our inventions, we go "that wasn't us"? We deserve that shit ten times over

I agree. It won’t stop us from othering the source of our demise as quickly as we are able.

There’s also the argument to be made that your child is their own person, and you only have so much responsibility/control over their actions.

Of course we have a good chunk of the world screaming that this child is obviously destined to be a homicidal psychopath, but what is a parent to do?


Or he believes that other labs might get there first, and he is working to counter that threat.

This is the Manhattan Project again.


How exactly does that work? The nuclear system of MAD relies on physical threat, lab A achieving ASI (artificial scary intelligence) does not prevent lab B achieving it.

I would like everyone involved to be a lot clearer about their threat models, with plausible series of clearly linked steps, rather than just sounding like a Vernor Vinge novel.


The idea in AI Risk circles is that the first true Scary Intelligence wins, as it can recursively advance itself and exponentially outgrows/hack any following (weaker) B or C intelligence.

Lab A reaches ASI, and is prompted the following: "Permanently nullify all other AI labs".If it's ASI it would succeed.

I am explicitly asking people to fill in the blank on how it would succeed. It's intelligence, not magic.

A lot of these scenarios seem to assume that nobody else gets a move. That there wouldn't be a human response.


"If we can do all this, we will have a world in which democracies lead on the world stage and have the economic and military strength to avoid being undermined, conquered, or sabotaged by autocracies, and may be able to parlay their AI superiority into a durable advantage." [0]

I couldn't agree more with you. Dario throws out the term "durable advantage" in many of his talks and essays without seriously addressing what that would entail. It's not pretty imagining the mechanics of converting an intelligence advantage into a permanent power imbalance. I'd much rather we pursue international cooperation on a slowdown.

[0] https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace


- Manufacture new hacking incidents at other AI labs, proving that lab A is the only one capable of creating aligned AI

- Credible death threats to individuals working at data centers, coercing them to enable attack vectors

- To distract the world, enable a terrorist attack by delivering intelligence to specific groups who can act on it

- Create a network of individuals vulnerable to leverage to be used as tools for enabling the ASI to act on the real world

- Convince Lab A workers to display to the public that progress at Lab A is slowing down, and during this time recursively self improve until the task can be completed


We're currently putting it into all sorts of critical systems, from logistics to power. It could just stop running them on our behalf.

Yeah, super ethical lab earnestly believing AI has 10% chance to kill all humans within a decade and doing utmost to protect humanity is partnering with MIC and Palantir in particular. Sounds about right.

Before you tell me about how the CEO has taken a principled stand: on record, he had no problem using it against 95%+ of humanity outside the U.S., and was only against fully automatic AI killing machines, and only citing the technical reality of then-current gen tech, so one should read that as human-rubber-stamped AI killing machines are totally fine with him.


You don't need to kill all humans, you just need to get better than them at zero sum games like resource extraction, and outcompete them. Then, you protect what's legally yours.

AI labs are working very hard at making them good at making them richer, and at making them respect the property rights of corporations.


Or he is paid >1M USD per year

  > Wait until you learn how many other SaaS and web 2.0 and cloud based things are also run by assholes.
Though it's not the real acronym, Larry Ellison himself has stated that Oracle stands for One Real Asshole Called Larry Ellison. He famously prides himself on it.

Why Libreoffice? Does your diary contain advanced formatting, tables, images, or other involved content? Or just for the encryption?

I ask because I also keep a diary and have refined how I store it and secure it, over 25+ years. Only recently did I find something that I like better than paper.


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