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God I have a similar problem with APP3 on flights only. They seem to allow in this deep rumble vibration that my APP2 did not :( Otherwise the APP3 are much better in office, home, etc.


I'm surprised Google hasn't forgotten about Google fiber.


I'm forced to conclude that it's actually making money, else they would have killed it by now.

I have it - signed up the day it was available at my house. One of the few Google things I'm pretty sure will continue to exist.


Google is perfectly willing to shut down a profitable product


Any examples you'd care to point out? All the high-profile Google shutdowns I can think of either failed in the marketplace (Stadia, Plus) or were successful but not making money (Reader, Hangouts).


Their DNS service comes to mind- although I guess it was divested, not killed.


I have also had Google Fiber since near its inception. I imagine it is profitable for Google because instead of tracking my browsing data, Google can just track all my packets now.


They did kill it before. But it's back again.


GOOGLE: There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive.


And when they’re all dead, there’s only one thing you can do: Run their pockets and look for loose change.


Fiber was not killed in the cities where it had already launched. What's new is that they're expanding again.


I think it must be that it will have the net effect of making people less free. They throw out stuff that could make money when it's good for freedom like Google Reader.


I've been told why Reader was shut down and it was the opposite of this.

(I can't repeat it because I forgot most of it.)


It does align pretty closely to their mission statement "to organize the world's information and make it accessible and useful for everyone", so it might be easier to make a case for its continued existence.

It also is another branch of Alphabet so not directly in the Google mgmt chain.

Though it looks like Alphabet is looking to sell it off, according to a reuters article Feb 5th, 2024.


They basically did at some point about a decade or so ago maybe. Wimax and LTE were taking off at that time. Then about 2 years ago, Google woke up and started pushing fiber again.

It's clear now that high speed fiber is the future. Cable companies aren't upgrading their networks anymore. It's unclear if the wireless companies will be able to support 10gig service. And the single mode fiber laid into the ground a decade or more ago has only increased in value.


is there any desire for residential 10g service? it's pretty hard to image how 90% of families would use up 200meg


Ever download a 100GB game? The 5x speed increase from 200mbit to 1gbit is significant. Most families have kids that game.


I'm actually downloading one right now off Steam, and I'm limited more by IOPS on the drive I'm installing to than I am my internet speed due to the compression/encryption/unpacking. Not even using much more than 100Mbits consistently here, but I am installing to a microSD on a gaming handheld. But devices like this are getting more popular especially for a multi-kid household.

But even then, it's not something most people are constantly doing. Maybe a couple of times a month.

I'd still probably go with more than 200Mbit for a family, but knowing how many of the families I know use their home internet they're rarely coming even close to routinely maxing out a 500Mbit connection even with several kids.


That's kinda like saying back in the 1990's that 90% of families wouldn't use more than 56.6k.

Well, because that's all they had access to.


No, a single user would routinely max out their dial-up connection just doing normal browsing things. Even just pulling a lot of email from a pop endpoint could max out that connection. Browsing web pages with graphics would absolutely crush a dial up connection. Some places tried to do things like handle video over such a connection, but it was pretty painful and pretty much useless. Streaming a song was pretty pointless.

These days a 200Mbit connection would handle five or so users doom scrolling social media with videos and images while a few TVs play 4K streaming media while smart home devices chirp home all the secrets in the house and the door bell cam uploads a few clips every hour and the Sonos is playing a few different songs in a few different zones throughout the house for ambiance.


> These days a 200Mbit connection would handle five or so users doom scrolling social media

Is that because all you can do is doom scroll on an internet connection, or are there higher bandwidth possibilities waiting for 10gig home internet service to arrive?

To some extent making that argument is like Bill Gates saying "All anyone will ever need is 640k."


Tons of households (even in the US) have access to 1G+ home internet connectivity and yet that seems to be most of what their usage is.

According to the FCC, in December 2023 something like 79% of all households had at least 100Mbit fixed internet, ~24% had 940Mbit or better. The NCTA claims 91% have access to gigabit or better. I do agree they're probably overselling that number (cable companies maps are often trash), but it wouldn't surprise me if it was really something more like 80% or more have some kind of access to gigabit but might just be cost prohibitive for what they care to spend.

https://www.fcc.gov/internet-access-services-reports

https://www.ncta.com/industry-data/91-of-us-homes-have-acces...

If these households aren't even really utilizing their gigabit connections very much today, what makes you think they're just waiting for 10 gigabit connectivity? What applications would they even really do with 10gig connectivity with hardware they'll have in the next five years, something normies would really care to do?

By and large people don't even care that much about 4K or ultra-high-quality video streaming. The two most popular Netflix plans are Standard and Standard with Ads. Blu-Rays are dead. VR acceptance is still pretty slow.

Even something like cloud gaming is really only using like 40-60Mbit of throughput for even a 4K gaming stream. Quadruple it, we're at 240Mbit. And even if we did ship 10gig home internet, it's not like we're just going to stop compressing the stream; a 4K 120Hz HDR stream is going to be ~32Gbit. Average household size in the US is about 3.23, so all three and a third people could be using 240Mbit and still have another 280Mbit of throughput.

Don't get me wrong, some percentage of home users would use a multi-gig home internet connection. But even though I can subscribe to a 5gig internet package and I'm more on the enthusiast end of things with a family with multiple kids and several 6E AP's with wired backhaul, hosting multiple applications and SDRs from my home, it's just not worth it to me to bother paying for it over the gigabit plan. Even if it was only $10/mo more I probably wouldn't jump to the higher plan. It wouldn't change my access or usage at all while costing another $120/yr.

Sell me on a 10gig home internet plan over a 1gig home internet plan. How is it going to radically change my usage with the kind of hardware most consumers actually buy and use? For that matter, sell me on a 1gig plan over a 500Mbit plan for a typical US household, let's say two adults and two teenage-ish kids. Would they really even see much of a difference in their day to day lives?

Back in the 90s it was pretty obvious what could be unlocked by having an always on multi-megabit internet connection over a single dial up connection for a household. It was just very prohibitively expensive for most people. I wouldn't say its anywhere near as obvious what benefits are to be had for a household today to jump from 500Mbit to 1gig or especially 1gig to 10gig.


Or maybe leadership has, and that’s why it’s still alive.


They did in my area 7 years ago almost as soon as it was announced. They wired new condos and apartments but nothing else. Luckily AT&T installed it on the pole by my house. I moved and lost fiber but have 1.2 down over coax but only 200 up.


> Luckily AT&T installed it on the pole by my house

This seems to be Google Fiber's purpose. Spurring the telcos into investing to maintain share.


There was a spur from them starting up at all. I don't want to diminish that too badly. But since then, increasing their coverage area from a fraction of a percent up to 1% of the US population, I don't think that has spurred very much.


That's the problem. I'd be afraid that if I signed up for it they'd just cancel it a year or two later.


Maybe the AI people convinced them that downloading models would require faster internet.


I couldn't find it in the article, maybe I missed it, but does anybody have more information on the printer / material used besides just quartz?


Maybe i'm missing it, but I think this would be much more useful if it showed what the optimal way to navigate per-target was.


I actually think the wall clock time that is used here is a more useful metric here. Using as few keystrokes is not necessarily most "efficient" in time if you have to think longer about which ones to press.


I worry about this, I feel faster using a simple set and mashing, but how do I know I've not just settled into a local minimum.

I think is why I like the jumping plugins


You are looking for this: https://github.com/igrigorik/vimgolf


Hmmm, thats interesting. Right now it just shows every character press, regardless of what it was to achieve.

You'd be interested in something a bit more organized, so you can see how they got specifically from one target to the next. I do have a ton on the roadmap right now, but that has been added as well!


It shows what the people on the leaderboard used, seems close enough.


You can load the leaderboard and see what keys they used. E.g. number 2 finished in 1.002s and used these keys:

ArrowRight, ArrowRight, ArrowDown, ArrowRight, ArrowUp, ArrowRight, ArrowRight, ArrowRight, ArrowDown, ArrowLeft, ArrowLeft, Shift, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, Shift, ArrowRight, ArrowRight, ArrowRight, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowLeft, ArrowUp, ArrowRight, Shift, :, 4, Enter, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowLeft, ArrowUp, ArrowLeft, ArrowDown, ArrowLeft, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowUp, ArrowLeft, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowLeft, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowLeft, Escape, Shift, :, 1, 1, Enter, Shift, :, 1, 0, 0, 0, Enter, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowRight, ArrowLeft, ArrowLeft, ArrowLeft, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowDown, ArrowLeft, Shift, :, 5, Enter, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowRight, ArrowRight, ArrowRight, ArrowUp, ArrowRight, ArrowRight, ArrowRight, ArrowRight, ArrowLeft, Shift, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowUp, ArrowLeft, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowDown, ArrowLeft

...


Just saw this episode yesterday! How unfortunate and unexpected his passing is.


For real, having shared walls is such a detriment to mental health having to hear conversations, music, tv, people taking stairs, it's never quiet. Having your own private yard to have bbqs, play with dogs, etc also sounds amazing.


Isn’t this a building quality concern rather than a concern of building location and style?

I live in a townhouse with shared walls on both sides and we never hear our neighbours. I’ve asked them if they hear us (we have teenagers) and one said never, the other said sometimes an occasional thud (teenagers wrestling).

Similarly we have a private outdoor space or deck and a shared open area. Both are great and well designed. I think it can be done well.

I know too that often it is not.


Yeah, I live in an apartment building. When I met my neighbor for the first time, she apologized for the noise her kid made. The walls here are of such a good quality, that I didn't even know she had a kid. Can't hear a thing.


That's a construction issue.

If you're used to the stick-built homes and ballon framing, then the article quote from Vanwyck is right: “The majority of North Americans haven’t experienced high-quality housing, and so they also don’t know what they’re missing and what they can ask for.”

In the apartment house I live in Sweden, I hear less of my neighbors than when I lived in a detached house in the US. The walls and floors here are SOLID! I had to get a impact drill so I could install curtains, the concrete is that tough.

Some apartment complexes have a private courtyard garden where you can bbq and play with the kids (and play with the dogs, though you'll need to go elsewhere to let them pee and poop), and have the upkeep paid by your rent.

Ours doesn't, but our nearest park is across the street and the nearest big playground 5 blocks away, see https://www.google.com/maps/@58.2841034,12.2930193,3a,75y,23... . And we have several large shared rooms in the basement where the kids can play on wet dreary days, or hold a birthday party or, in my case, work during the COVID restriction years.

Now, I hate mowing and gardening, which is why I also paid someone to do it for me in the US. For those who like it, I can totally see how having a yard would support that hobby.


I concur with the other reply to your comment - Americans (I assume you're American) have a love affair with drywalling and timber framing that astounds me. It seems like it's a recipe for poor soundproofing and massive fire hazard.


> For real, having shared walls is such a detriment to mental health

The fact that you can hear your neighbors through the wall is a sign of terrible design and construction choices. Hell, most sane apartment layouts minimise if not eliminate shared walls entirely.


I'm on the unfortunate side of having panic disorder. Some exercise, like weightlifting can trigger panic attacks due to the sudden spike in adrenaline. Steady-state cardio is usually fine.


Why do you think Peter Attia is a charlatan? Out of all these longevity & health influencers he seems most realistic & knowledgeable.


Anybody vitamin D deficient even after supplementation? I had mine checked September of last year, it was low even when taking 2000 IU a day, so DR gave me a 50,000 IU pill to take once a week. It's still considered deficient, but not as deficient. I live in Seattle, so not much sun has been out the past 6 months, not sure if that's skewing numbers lower than they are in the summer.


You could try with vitamin K2 mixed. It helps with absorption. I tried this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ECH40MQ


When did you join and how is it going? I had an offer from them ~4 years ago and this was one of the teams that I was in talks with.


I joined 2 years ago. I wish our stock price was better .

I’m happy with the work I do. The Company culture requires some thoughtful navigation. I’m also happy with the benefits (like travel and working from asian).


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