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I hope Mozilla can invest more in open source technology rather than political stuff.


This is also needed for Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, and Meta


Mainframe sounds like a good idea to solve many of today's problems. Why don't people start thinking about making a RISC-V or x86 Mainframe?


A mainframe is just a very large server, with lots of reliability features (RAID-like memory, fault detection and mitigation, redundant components, etc) and lots of intelligent peripherals that offload work from the CPU so that it can spend as much time as possible running application code (and don't waste time handling interrupts, assembling network packets, dealing with IO, etc). A lot of these offload functions are baked into the ISA, making it a VERY CISC machine.

I believe Unisys still makes x86-based mainframes running MCP.


And loads of IP that IBM will defend vigorously with any infringement.


They invest a colossal amount of money creating those patents. There are lots of bullshit patents in this space, but IBM is not playing that kind of game.


Modern cloud environments are basically virtualised infinitely scalable mainframes.


Modern cloud environments tend to be aimed at running multiple independent workloads well on a huge server. Mainframes are generally aimed at running a smaller number of large workloads well on a huge server. Sort of analogous to multithreaded vs singlethreaded performance in CPU benchmarks.

My personal take:

The typical x86[1] is a sports car. Gets going fast, reaches most destinations fast, not great for driving for several hours, and not great at moving lots of cargo.

A mainframe is a freight train. Somewhat slow to get going, but can haul large amounts of cargo without breaks for a long time.

Mainframes weren't built for an interactive, highly variable, query-response workload; they were built for the classic overnight/monthly batch job that streams through a large amount of data.

[1]: It's not about the CPU, it's about the architecture around it, like this article talks about cache, expanded to I/O etc concerns.


That’s how I had always thought about mainframes before, but the focus on low latency here seems to suggest a different purpose (more sports car like than any x86 server cpu) is this a different kind of mainframe?


The freight train part of my thinking is admittedly dated .

This is an impressively fast design, but you'll get much more x86 for the same money -> x86 wins when you can scale out.


There are bunch of well known source available licenses, such as BSL 1.1 (https://mariadb.com/bsl11/). No need to invent a new license that gives more confusions.


non-production use is pretty vague. And like the entire license hinges on that word being correctly understood.


ianal but I think it's done this way to allow for some latitude in interpretation. gives licensees the ability to get things going, eg as a private beta, and seek a commercial license when they're ready instead of worrying about that up-front. also gives both parties the ability to argue whether a particular situation counts as production use if the dispute ends up in court.


Maybe so, but it's a pretty weird license to point to if you want to make the case that we already have a good enough license and don't need more.


GCP Cloud Run is even better, which you don't have to configure those networking stuff, just ship and run in production


Does Cloud Run give you a private network? While configuring it is annoying, I do want one for anything serious.


But why couldn't you or AWS donate/pay to Elastic for what they created to get those features in? I understand the security features you mentioned is very necessary, but Elastic will lose revenue because of this, and they are not a trillion dollars cap tech giant like AWS to support the project for free.


Last time the dictator threatened X to arrest their lawyer in the country, so X abandoned their operations in the country.


Well, government is being government. I never think bureaucracy could solve an issue when they could just hide it.


So what crime did X commit to? Or it refused to censor your opponent and made you angry?


Presumably refusing to censor things that the government there wanted censored? AIUI most of the rest of the world doesn't have our legal prohibitions against the government doing that.


No need to presume: you can read the article. "dissemination of defamatory fake news and another probe over possible obstruction, incitement and criminal organization."

Which is fair enough, I think.


Anyone who accuses X of hosting disinformation and fake news will 100% win in court. It’s at least 75%of the content I see when I dare to go to the “for you” algo feed.


"Disinformation and fake news" should not be crimes that anyone gets taken to court for to begin with.


Some blanket statements how X are bad is fair enough?

To be frank, this censorship and threats of censorship is much scarier than whatever X are doing.


Obviously there's a lot more detail in all the prosecutions and investigations. Most, or all of it, should be publicly available if you really care to understand the problem.

Laws have been broken, and this is the justice system's reaction to that. This is not censorship. Brazil (and most of the world) don't subscribe to the idea that freedom of expression and freedom of press are unbound.


This is censorship. Just because it's being done within a legal framework doesn't mean it's not censorship. The Brazilian people will have to decide whether they want their judiciary to have such excessive control over freedom of expression.

The rest of the world should subscribe to the idea that freedom of expression and freedom of expression are (nearly) unbound. The USA is the only major country which gets this right.


> This is censorship.

No, it's not.

> The Brazilian people will have to decide whether they want their judiciary to have such excessive control over freedom of expression.

This is a very loaded comment, full of personal opinions. Which is fine, but let's not pretend it's factual truth.

In any case, we have. At least within the limits of our USA-inspired representative democracy. Federal law goes through 3 houses of elected representatives: the National Congress, the Senate and the Union Executive.

The Constitution goes through even more scrutiny.

> The rest of the world should

More personal opinions. Which, again, is fine. But it's not factual truth.

> The USA is the only major country which gets this right

I think this says it all. We have very little common basis for discussion. I would say the USA is the main major country that gets the _most_ things wrong.


You appear to be confused about the definition of censorship.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship

When any party, either government or private, blocks free expression then that is literally censorship. It might be legally or morally justified in some circumstances, but it is still censorship.

Words mean things. You don't get to redefine words to support your argument.


Sure but you'd also have to define free expression.

Article 10 of the Human Rights Act [0] says:

> 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary.

[0] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/schedule/1

What's being done in Brazil falls within that definition and, as such, is not censorship.


I will charitably assume that you aren't a native English speaker and are honestly confused about the nuances of the language rather than trying to derail the discussion with incorrect and irrelevant semantic arguments. Just because a particular act of censorship might be legal within a certain framework doesn't mean it isn't censorship.

Although I can't imagine why you would cite a UK law in a discussion about censorship in Brazil. It's sad how the UK has been growing ever more authoritarian and totalitarian, but that's an entirely separate discussion.


> Just because a particular act of censorship might be legal within a certain framework doesn't mean it isn't censorship.

For the record, I would like to note that this sort of censorship is utterly unconstitutional here in Brazil too.

Every single time this gets discussed, I cite the literal words from the constitution:

> Any and all censorship of political, ideological and artistic nature is prohibited

These are very simple words that any citizen can understand. There is no room for misinterpretation here. Yet every single time people respond with impressive mental gynmnastics to justify the judge-king's actions. I've had people argue with me by citing laws lower than the constitution, by getting into asinine arguments over the definition of free speech and censorship, by arguing about "isonomy" as if it somehow invalidated the very simple words written above, and also by calling me a moron for presuming to do the judge-king's job as if the contradictions weren't there in plain sight for all to see. The guy you're replying to once called me a sterotypical reactionary WhatsApp uncle right here on HN.

In the eve of the 2022 elections I witnessed this judge censor a documentary a priori. Without even watching it, before it was even released, he judged it was "fake news" and ordered its censorship. This is the sort of thing that used to happen in last century's military dictatorship. There is no justification for this whatsoever.

If a brazilian is harmed by someone's speech, they get to answer. They get to be made whole by legal means. They don't get to straight up censor the other guy or in any way prevent them from speaking. I see this all the time, even in politics. Some guy insults another, gets sued and is made to pay damages or whatever. That's all there is to it. The original insult is not censored. This is fine.

With these judges it's different. Some magazine ran some damning article on them back in 2019 and they granted themselves virtually limitless power to investigate, prosecute, judge and punish "fake news" of all kinds, with themselves as the victims. They determine what's fake of course. Their powers just kept expanding until they essentially usurped all power in this country. It got to the point the judge started proposing changes to laws directly to our representatives. The changes were rejected but he just rammed the "fake news" nonsense down our throats anyway via his "resolutions".

This is not a democracy, it's a dictatorship of the judiciary. Unelected judge-kings with lifetime mandates whose pens directly make the people with guns do their bidding. It's kind of ridiculous to even discuss "laws" at this point. These guys could write whatever they want on a piece of paper and it becomes law.



>I would say the USA is the main major country that gets the _most_ things wrong.

I would like to hear you expound on this.


Normally, I would - happily. I am sorry though, but I don't have the time right now. If and when I do, I will come back to this.


Fair enough


And yet big companies bow to countries such as China under the ‘it’s all just business’ mantra. Brazil isn’t China but they’re not some small islands either, they can challenge SV and that is a good thing.


X-Twitter doesn't refuse to censor opponents though, eg:

Twitter blocked 122 accounts in India at the government’s request https://restofworld.org/2023/twitter-blocked-access-punjab-a...

Elon Musk caved to government pressure to censor tweets ahead of the Turkish election. https://www.businessinsider.com/free-speech-censorship-elon-...


Twitter’s argument, which they’re trying to make in Brazil through the justice system, is that the orders to censor (by one Supreme Court justice) aren’t constitutional under Brazilian law. In those other cases, Twitter abided by local law as they claimed they would.


Sure, an argument that may or may not have merit.

The greater point to my comment is that they have a track record of siding with the Mohdi's, Bolsonaro's, Erdoğan's et al when it comes to blocking accounts and otherwise standing on principal as "free speech absolutists" when they like the disinfomation being spread.

That's just the new face of X-Twitter.


So be specific: Which disinformation in your opinion should have been censored at which government's request and wasn't?


As much as possible keep opinion seperate from observation.

Do you have any factual observations to add about censorship by Twitter 2.0?


So your response to me is a question for the very thing that I asked you for, this is very bad discussion form when you throw such serious accusations around. Merely giving examples of Erdogan or Modi is obviously not good enough because Musk says that he follows local national laws. So according to that personal rule, all his behavior is consistent. You said that he breaks his own rules, so where does it happen? Are you assuming that disobeying the Brazil order is such a case? Then you have to say so and show why Elon's reason for doing so is wrong because yes, he has given reasons for that. I personally don't know them, I don't care about every single case that affects Twitter. I do care about the social media circus arriving at HN where people think that they can just throw these easy accusations and then not even bother actually touching on the core issue.


They didn't fight last one doesn't imply what they are fighting this time is not justified.


I don’t think he has a personal squabble with the Indian government though which is what is going on between him, twitter, and brazil’s government.


Can't read the news just the headline? Maybe that's the crime!


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65246394

But I guess the rules play differently when you are a billionaire, so here we are.


So you think it's a crime to allow people speak things you don't like?


I don’t know ask Elon, he has been pretty consistently censoring the left. Just last week he blocked the “whitedudesforkamala” account. Is that not censorship?


That account was automatically flagged for spam and then reinstated.

Even if it wasn't, censorship by an individual or a company is not a crime, are you confused by the first amendment which is a restriction on the government?

X or Musk are not the government.


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That's a strange way of saying you completely lost the argument so you had to resort to digging into comment history to try and find something, but I'll take it.

Address the topic, not the commenter, stop violating HN guidelines.


It's not about liking or not - it's about breaking the law. Hate speech is qualified in Brazilian criminal law. Nazism and anti-democratic aggitation are crimes, for instance.


In some parts of the world, the local governments have decreed that it is.


In a lot of places? Yeah. Like super illegal (felony level)


https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/united-nations-and-hate-sp...

> While certain restrictions on freedom of expression may be motivated by principles of equality and non-discrimination, “direct and public incitement to genocide” and “advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence” are strictly prohibited under international law, and are considered the “severest forms of hate speech”.


There’s no legitimate definition of hate speech. It’s just an ever expansive label used to undermine political speech and justify censorship or criminal charges. Free speech is the most fundamental civil liberty.

Also no one cares what the UN’s “international law” is. They just all support it or ignore it as convenient, because it means nothing.


It's a dispute between Brazil supreme court and a US based company. I didn't want to refer to Brazilian law because it seemed circumstantial, nor could I refer to US law because the first amendment defeats it. Falling back to international law only seemed natural so I didn't think I should have explained my rationale.

But that was only to say, responding to who asked me the original question, that it doesn't matter what I think. I'm not a legislator. What matters is what's enforceable.


There's no such thing as international law. It's an imaginary concept. The UN is not a legislative body or sovereign entity.


Isn't all law* outside of natural laws essentially an agreed upon framework of convenience? Sovereignty itself only works in consensus (see the failures of the sovereign citizen movement in the US).

*I'm deliberately side-stepping religious law because there's no way to reasonably debate it logically. So this is meant to read "all secular law"


It's all tangential to the point.

> So you think it's a crime to allow people speak things you don't like?

That was the original question which was clearly designed to trap me in an opinion pitfall. I was making sure I was referencing external sources when responding to that, but nobody seemed willing to take what I wrote in context.


You’re right, I wasn’t making any comment on your point.


> However, to date there is no universal definition of hate speech under international human rights law. The concept is still under discussion, especially in relation to freedom of opinion and expression, non-discrimination and equality.

Source: https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/...


> "Do you see a rise of hate speech?" Mr Musk said. "I don't."

> He asked our reporter James Clayton for specific examples of hateful content.

> When he couldn't pinpoint individual messages, Mr Musk said: "You don't know what you're talking about… you just lied.

That is hilarious, thanks for the article.

And I don't see examples of crimes committed by X or Musk in there?


Ah, the ever popular "hey, can you re-create Einstein's theory of relativity for me right now? No? I guess physics must be fake, then" argument, popular with bad-faith conversationalists of all stripes.

Links from the BBC article you appear to have missed: "Antisemitism on Twitter Before and After Elon Musk’s Acquisition"[1] "The Musk Bump: Quantifying the rise in hate speech under Elon Musk"[2]

Additional studies: "Hate Speech Spikes on Twitter After Elon Musk Acquires the Platform" [3] "Auditing Elon Musk’s Impact on Hate Speech and Bots" [4]

1. https://beamdisinfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Antisemit...

2. https://counterhate.com/blog/the-musk-bump-quantifying-the-r...

3. https://www.montclair.edu/school-of-communication-and-media/...

4. http://arxiv.org/pdf/2304.04129


Again, where are the alleged crimes committed by Musk according to the GP comment?


> But there are both in-depth studies and anecdotal evidence that suggest hate speech has been growing under Mr Musk's tenure.

> Several fringe characters that were banned under the previous management have been reinstated.

> They include Andrew Anglin, founder of the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer website, and Liz Crokin, one of the biggest propagators of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

From that same hilarious article.


Those people are not billionaires, so why haven't they been prosecuted if, as you allege, they have committed crimes.


Anglin is literally on the run from the law and has an arrest warrant issued for him.


I mean... Brazil's a sovereign country, so whatever crime Brazil decides they did?

The law's about power, not rationality.


No, it selectively censors my side and lets my “opponent” off scott free.


:shrug: I don't use X, so I don't get caught up in it. I am just making an outsider's perspective to both X and the Brazilian Supreme Court. I see articles posted constantly about both, and they both stir up controversy.


I think you implied your opinion on this.


What a coincidence, so did you! :)


I am not educated in the US and never used toaster before entering the US, and I am surprised so many people think toasters can't be washed. Most electronic and electric products can be dried if you leave it there for a long enough time. I washed many of them throughout my life.


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