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1000% this. Today LLMs are like enthusiastic, energetic, over-confident, well-read junior engineers.

Does it take effort to work with them and get them to be effective in your code base? Yes. But is there a way to lead them in such a way that your "team" (you in this case) gets more done? Yes.

But it does take effort. That's why I love "vibe engineering" as a term because the engineering (or "senior" or "lead" engineering) is STILL what we are doing.


I have this idea that I'm working on that I can't decide if it is just a silly idea or actually applies directly here: https://github.com/Kilo-Org/alex-treBENCH


Shitty AI bro here.

I would love to know if and how you disagree. I am (I thought obviously) making a jump here from her desire to make FLOW-MATIC human-readable. Also, I don't believe that AI will take developers's jobs, but I do believe a developer using AI will replace ones not using it...so I'm intentionally provocative there, yes.


It's probably true in our industry too - I'm sure that when people started using programming languages instead of writing machine code people looked down on them too.

This will be another abstraction layer that MANY people will use and be able to accomplish things that would have been impossible to do in a reasonable amount of time in machine code.


good think that those abstraction layer break all the time eg: javascript ecosystem


one thing about GPT users is they LOVE typing "npm install"


Would you use GitHub auth?


Yes. I would still prefer the old email/pass though, so I don't depend on a 3rd party being online, etc.


Author and Kilo Code team member here - yes your interpretation is what I meant...but to be fair as you mention it could be read multiple ways.

Let's be fair - I made it intentionally a little provocative :)


Haha I'm glad to hear it, because I do the same of course.

What I might not have mentioned is that I've spent the last 5 years and 20,000 or so hours building an IDE from scratch. Not a fork of VSCode, mind you, but the real deal: a new "kernel" and integration layer with abilities that VSCode and its forks can't even dream of. It's a proper race and I'm about to drop the hammer on you.


Author and Kilo Code team member here - this is a much better explanation of what I mean. And honestly, it's a quick phrase I've been using that is shorthand really for THIS much better-written take.


Kilo Code team member here

Would love to chat about integrating the models into Kilo Code if you’re interested

You can contact me at brendan [at] kilocode [dot] ai


I wonder if Cloudflare's new plan for blocking AI from scraping the "real" sites...


You wonder if the plan is (or does) what?


Our plan is to be a superset of Cline and Roo's features (we already have all the major features from both) [0]

We also have our own provider, which means no need to bring your own API keys (you can if you like, but it is batteries included by default) and we're not charging anything on top of the API pricing. Instead of monetizing on individual developers, we want it to be free for them and make money eventually off enterprise contracts [1]

[0]: https://blog.kilocode.ai/p/roo-or-cline-were-building-a-supe... [1]: https://kilocode.ai


I can't find any reference to Cline/Roo charging anything on top of API pricing.

Not sure how they'd do it considering you bring your own API keys. Can you link me to a resource?


GP didn't say Cline/Roo charged anything on top.


The comparison table on the kilo site says "OpenRouter without 5% markup" and only puts a checkbox next to kilo.


Yes - with our built-in provider, we provide all the models that OpenRouter provides but without OpenRouter's 5% markup. We provide them at cost (the AI provider cost)


Roo/Cline doesn't offer Openrouter, markup or not.


You can most definitely use Openrouter with Roo and Cline. Openrouter leaderboards are dominated by these 2 apps.


But they don't OFFER Openrouter a paid product... You cannot give roo/cline dollars and get openrouter api access.


maybe you could answer a question about kilo usage: If I choose Google Gemini as the API provider and give it my Gemini API key, why does it say that I'm low on credits (and I get API request failures immediately)? As far as I understand gemini 2.5 pro preview is free to use. (and in Cline I'm able to choose Google Gemini as the API provider & provide my API key and it will successfully make API requests)



Hey, we can't reproduce it. Could you maybe jump in and give some more details? https://github.com/Kilo-Org/kilocode/issues/349


It looks like a bug to me. Did you report it on GitHub?


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