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While I am ideologically aligned with the author (ie, humans matter) and agree with their proposed interventions (progressive taxation, spread the base of capital across society, aggressive antitrust enforcement) and appreciate the thrust of the essay, I’m doubtful of the underlying predicate that human labor will be replaced with AI.

I don’t believe we have seen AI-driven layoffs yet (despite the CEO’s prognostications and suspect justifications). I personally have more to do than ever despite “AI being able to do everything I can do” (‡). I still want to speak to a human at the company I am a client of. And how many AI bloggers even know what a nurse at a hospital does?

I agree with the author’s repeated statement and implication that it is all about the human. The human is the lynchpin. Imagine for a moment this “dead economy,” or instead imagine a virtualized economy that is just incredible with trillions of this and trillions of that, absolute abundance, perfect chemical processing, impeccable design, unlimited resources. How much is that worth without humans?

Further, in many societies humans became irrelevant to labor in its simplest definition decades ago, without becoming economically irrelevant. If the US lost 10% of its able-bodied workforce economists would be primarily concerned with lost consumption, and not production. Apparently this “human labor” is a lot more than its superficial and material interpretation.

What I don’t agree with is the fickleness assigned to the human role. The human role is not a light or arbitrary one. It is the defining characteristic of our societal system that all subsequent characteristics rely upon and are derived from.

(‡ – Despite “AI being able to do everything I can do,” it cannot tie it together, because there is no such thing as agency in LLM’s. Probabilistic processes as n approaches infinity become gobbledygook at best. Deterministic interruptions are a necessity of agency.)


If we can work on the solution for when 90% of “human labor” is replaced by machines and intelligent machines, we’ll have a roadmap for how society should be structured.

Ever since we moved a step above subsistence farming we’ve been heading this way, and continually developing new ways to waste effort and work isn’t sustainable.


I would argue that we almost are in that exact position, except rather than “low employment” per se it is more like “low compensation” or unequal distribution.

Consider for a moment our incredible material wealth. We have a surplus of nearly everything, albeit poor distribution. This is balance (keep in mind every system is intrinsically in a state of balance or temporal equilibrium).


Relatedly, I'm convinced that humans cannot achieve any form of peak performance in any domain (athletics, art, business, community organizing) without consistently going for walks. We're all aware of the programmer working at a problem for hours, going for a walk, sitting down, and then elegantly solving the problem in a few lines of thoughtful code (haven't we all experienced this?), and here is an example in another domain...

I have never been at my best rock climbing performance without a substantial amount of walking; even if I am training well, eating well, sleeping well, climbing with others, and super enthusiastic, the element of walking is for some reason critical.

My suspicion is that the human body is designed for walking (eg, we are upright, our shoulders adapted to swing the arm) and that myriad processes simply will not occur or will not occur optimally without walking. I believe restoration on a cellular level is enhanced by walking, that various cognitive and sub-cognitive processes are aided by walking, and that many of these processes sync up with a sort of supermodular (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermodular_function) effect when walking.


that all sounds great, but what if we just use AI to increase velocity and implement a 996 work schedule to squeeze everybody?

The article details costs and leaves two big ones out. First, opportunity cost: lot of folks rent instead of own on the basis of keeping assets in higher-performing market sectors. Second (and perhaps actually an expression of the first), anything that prevents a working professional from changing cities can exert downward pressure on future economic opportunity.

Maybe 1% of renters do that. The rest can't afford a house.

Changing cities? Sell or rent out your house. Not harder than moving apartments.


Not harder than moving apartments?!?!

Even easier than moving apartments if you just sell your house "as is". Depending on your rental contract you might have to do paint it etc before returning it.

The hiring brand is Ferrari. Its entire business is predicated on a Paris-Hilton-style effect, whereby it is famous for being famous. Tactics like hiring Jony Ive are a common way to keep this virtuous cycle afloat. It's not really about design, it's about PR/hype/reputation/branding.

it's not about the design yet stock plunged 6% for no reason then?

stock has been going down all year, drop was just bump coming back down

markets are volatile, 6% on one ticker is noise


It’s surprising just how low the revenue is for SpaceX. There are some 700+ companies with larger revenue figures, and yet just a small handful exceed SpaceX’s proposed valuation.

In 2026 one gets the impression that SpaceX is a huge company, among the largest in the world. It’s wild to see that its business volume is smaller than Northrop, smaller than Apple’s peripherals alone, smaller than Avnet (heard of ‘em?).


Uber had about $11B revenue when it went public

SpaceX is at $18.7B


Just to keep things in perspective, Uber IPO-ed for 82.4B. SpaceX is IPOing for over 10x more.

Plus Uber's only increased their revenue 11->14B in the last 5yrs. SpaceX has added +$4B since 2024 and have fanciful plans in multiple markets that only a gambler like Musk would risk proposing.

> Plus Uber's only increased their revenue 11->14B in the last 5yrs.

This is just incredibly off. A brief look at Yahoo Finance shows revenue has grown from $31.9B in 2022 -> $53.7B in trailing 12mos.


you're right, looks I mixed up some numbers while googling. their revenue went from 11->53b in 6yrs which was very off from my original comment

Which honestly surprises me, Uber was called a VC pump and dump scheme for years on HN before their IPO. Maybe that's the better lesson here (dont take financial advice from HN comments)


Uber WAS a pump and dump. Insiders used the public for exit liquidity and any public shareholders got stuck with a pretty crap stock. Uber went up 100% from IPO to mid 2025, Google went up 400% in that time period (and I picked 2025 to avoid the huge AI runup we have seen).

It was hemorrhaging in many cities using extremely profitable cities like London and NYC to keep their global competitiveness.

Uber was able to pivot and become financially sound with two moves: - Uber Eats becoming first party delivery to restaurants (it started as a limited selection of items from some restaurants and quickly evolved into a Doordash-esque competitor) - Uber launching a 1B+ RR Ads business - margins on this are obviously incredible

Both of those combined with discipline in their ridesharing business (exiting the China market with a sale + stake, dumping their self-driving business when it became a money sink) have led to a recovery in their stock price, but it is FAR from the crazy expectations set up for VCs. I expect those in the last round didn't get a great return, but obviously folk like Benchmark exited like kings.


I'm guessing COVID also played a major role. The other narrative around Uber's IPO was gig-work was evil and should be banned, then pandemic hit and everyone started using uber eats constantly. Looking at their revenue growth it started doubling after 2020

Personally, I always underestimate how much exploitation consumers are willing to experience before leaving a brand. I thought Facebook was reaching the peak of its ability to shove ads into its products in like 2011, boy was I wrong.

Uber successfully displaced most of the alternatives, slowly raised rates, and maintained operating margin while their fixed costs didn't have to scale as much. Post Travis they've, financially, nailed it.


SpaceX easily has 10x the potential of Uber. SpaceX has its hands in so many up and coming industries.

Aside from satellite internet, I can't think of anything realistic.

Have you heard of AI? It's up and coming and bringing in a lot of money.. even more than satellite internet.

ISS resupply, ISS re-crew missions, and commercial satellite launches don't count as realistic? (Theoretical Moon and Mars launches?)

SpaceX has the baggage of a bunch of elon brainfarts.

Revenue is not the right metric when you compare space trips to trips inside a city. The more relevant numbers are EBITDA, Operating cash flow, Profits.

> SpaceX is at $18.7B

And profits?

If SpaceX was a space services company (launch, ISP) the numbers involved may be nice; but with all the AI garbage rolled in, it's hemorrhaging money.


> It’s surprising just how low the revenue is for SpaceX. There are some 700+ companies with larger revenue figures, and yet just a small handful exceed SpaceX’s proposed valuation.

As Patrick Boyle points out in this video "SpaceX IPO: Nice Try Though" (6m40s):

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHD8BDFYyGI

SpaceX has about the same revenue as breakfast cereal maker Kellogg's, but Kellogg's is more profitable.


Scope out minimal.app (or minimal.app/#beta for anyone who wants to contribute to the roadmap). Opinionated, native-only, extremely focused.

How does gobbledygook like this get traction on HN? What has happened on HN culturally to allow something like this to surface to the top?



How is this one a submarine? It is not even PR.


It's potentially PR (it hit the front page of HN, and probably not organically) for Trump, Oracle or SAP, just from reading the first few paragraphs.


This is a website where anybody can trivially create multiple accounts in minutes. It has minimal protections against abuse. The strength of the community relies entirely on its obscurity and it's no longer obscure.

It died as a home for intellectuals the moment it became big enough to be a viable platform for political propaganda (many years ago).


The core premise might still be interesting to discuss, even though the submission itself is not very good.

Disclaimer: I didn't vote for this submission.


Because a lot of people upvote based on the title and not the content? That's my assumption at least.

The title is pretty enticing, even if the content is slop trash.


A lot of nonsense get traction on HN (and everywhere else).

The revolt of the masses is real.


Happening quickly too. Far too quickly.


It is a little bit old https://www.amazon.com/The-Revolt-of-the-Masses/dp/B0934PV37..., but yeah, I agree that it has been crazy lately.


Yes the theory is old - but the last decade has really sped it up.


Wow, no mention of asafoetida (hing)?


This is a journalistic publication with a foundational value of transparency. If you study the history of institutions that favor transparency, they rarely ever need to further justify efforts of transparency beyond that underlying value. Transparency needs no further analysis of second order effects.

“What is gained…?” is simply not a question asked, for the same reason that advocates for privacy rarely if ever circumstantially ask the same question.


It’s all about balance.

No one defending privacy is claiming situation like a pedophile keeping a slave children in their basement should be undetectable because privacy should be an absolute barrier that let people whatever atrocities they want within private doors.

On the other hand, those who seriously care about privacy won’t believe it’s fine to have some laws supposedly enacted to protect the children but actually just implement general presumption of guilt and everyone being spied permanently.


As someone currently working there (in tech, not the newsroom), this is partially correct.

Second order effects can become a consideration, but the bar is high. Usually “will this place someone in immediate, specific danger of harm” vs potential risks.

As a recent example, journalists covering Iran in the past week had sources confirming the downed airman was located, but that the extraction planes had been unable to take off, and held off on publication. Same for advance knowledge of the Maduro raid. Both examples have been confirmed publicly by those journalists.

Not defending this particular decision at the moment, but someone who potentially controls Satoshi’s wallet has much more ability to protect themselves, and their desire to remain anonymous wouldn’t factor in.


My mind goes to the science fiction novel Footfall by Larry Nivel and Jerry Pournell, in which Earth is attacked by aliens and, at one point, a journalist figures out about a secret project to carry out a counter-offensive and is going to run a story on it, obviously against the wishes of those involved with the project.

Another character drowns the journalist in a toilet.


I get that, but it's difficult to reconcile this with media's second principle of protecting/anonymizing sources. I don't think it's reasonable for them to have it both ways, especially when exposing an anonymous subject could result in physical danger.


> Transparency needs no further analysis of second order effects.

Everything needs analysis of second order effects. Otherwise you wreck lives without even realizing that's what you're doing. It's the negligence of a drunk driver.

On the other hand, this also applies to Bitcoin. Satoshi, if he is real and alive and in control of his wallet, is a billionaire. Billionaires need to be kept under careful watch unless they, too, wreck lives without realizing.


> Transparency needs no further analysis of second order effects.

By that logic we don't need judges.

Just read what the resp. law says and 'apply' it.

Bizarre.


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