there are llms which are modified to not reject anything at all, afaik this is possible with all llms. no need to convince.
(granted you have to have direct access to the llm, unlike claude where you just have the frontend, but the point stands. no need to convince whatsoever.)
It's asymmetrical, you publish something online, immediately it is used by social networks or AIs for profit. Vice versa you get an app, it's not even yours.
I think we should strive to avoid playing this game..
But in the end i feel in this particular case, it’s ops fault. He can avoid using that app there’s a world of alternatives for writing apps and organizing apps.
The irony is that a lot / most / all? of these apps and services are built and run on open source software.
(is fully closed source software development even still a thing? is there any popular propriatary programming language / editor / runtime / ecosystem?)
Non-copyleft free software licenses such as the MIT license explicitly grant anyone the right to use the software for any purpose, including for things the original author doesn't approve of, and including building closed-sources apps and services. This is the point of open-source - the original author contributes their software to the open-source commons and then doesn't track who uses it for what. Recent attempts to create licenses that do impose restrictions on Software Freedom 0 are attempts to do ideological advocacy for various leftist causes by means of software licenses, and are not free.
Copyleft free software licenses such as the GPL explicitly grant anyone the right to use the software for any purpose, as long as they also extend this right to their own software. The intent of this license was to infect any novel software built upon GPL-licensed software, forcing it to become free as well; in practice any organization who wants to build a proprietary app or service simply avoids GPL dependencies (or blatantly violates the license terms). Empirically, software companies care more about avoiding being forced to release the source code of their own proprietary software more than they care about using the exclusively-GPL'd software commons as a dependency, and this isn't a problem the license itself can solve.
I'm talking about licenses like any of the ones listed at https://ethicalsource.dev/licenses/, which make the source code available but prevent people anf organizations from legally using it unless they act in accordance with various types of leftist political demands.
Funny how I've seen it twice now that when asked what license a published software would adhere to was GPL, but only for non commercial and "you should contact us for commercial use". So you have both he GPL poison pill and non conformity in one package!
I think that's a good option. You get all the benefits of open source as long as you pay it forward. And if you don't want to pay it forward to your users, then I'm not paying it forward to you. This is reciprocal altruism.
Imagine if I as a hobbyist take this project A and mix it up with gpl code from another project B. I release this mashup as project C. Now some company contacts me and wants to use C commercially. If I say yes, A will be upset. If I say no, B will be upset. A contradiction!
Conclusion is that gpl but only for non-commercial does not work. They need to use a different license to get something self-consistent.
There's a part in the GPL that says you're free to discard any terms other than the GPL and specific ones (like attribution). So if they really did apply the GPL, you can use it commercially, but only under GPL terms.
I don't think it's that bad. Most commercial enterprises don't want their commercial products to be under GPL terms, so they'll pay for the license regardless. You should really fix the SaaS loophole by using AGPL instead though.
Can you suggest a middle ground that works? JetBrain's pay-to-upgrade but keep the fallback license?
I'm genuinely asking. I'm (finally) making my own app without the VC crap, and my best-case scenario is to sell for a fixed price with no plans to upgrade/upsell later. But the app isn't yours, no, since I'll have to deal with the servers/support/admin/taxes on my end. You're buying a license to use it. Is that not ok?
These aren't related items so there's no comparison.
Let's say you publish a blog post guide on how to set up a MySql cluster and I use that as part of DevOps contract work for a company. Do I owe you money?
What if I form an opinion because of a political piece you published then produce my own blog post?
AI use of public data to produce new information is exactly what we do as people.
And it's forbidden to do that in certain contexts. Selling a service that regurgitate licensed content is neither legal for humans or machines. German court just reminded OpenAI:
The minute it becomes feasible for the RIAA to charge you a fee every time you have a song playing in your head you can bet they'll be sending you a bill or a legal threat. They'll even come after you for singing when it's profitable enough.
Copyright and performance rights are two separate things. It's completely fine for me to go and perform (not record - that does need a license) the latest hit song until my heart is content.
> It's completely fine for me to go and perform (not record - that does need a license) the latest hit song until my heart is content.
Only in private. Copyright law can give the owner exclusive rights to perform a song publicly. If the lawyers can convince a judge that your singing counts as a public performance you can end up on the hook for not getting or being covered under a performance license.
I think your copyright argument is focused on media, like music. This appears be a specific exception that applies to text. Music sampling for example is a direct copy of the recording but quoting text, even though it's a copy, is a new work because although the words are the same it's not the original copied (as in the quote is written or typed by OpenAI).
Do you mean they simply paste information obtained without citation?
Because if you ask for an opinion on a subject it generates new information itself based on the data gathered.
It does sometimes quote sources, which are properly noted and attributed, but how is that wrong? People write books (for money) all the time and reference sources.
I'm not understanding why you think the LLM is different from a person in how it uses information to produce new work.
No I mean we're in the same community, and perhaps next thing I do is I answer a related question on Stack Overflow that you or someone else can use. Everyone wins, including you, because by writing you also get to structure your thoughts better and perhaps discover some new way.
I mean the degree of use or exchange should matter.
I want to be part of a community of people. And for decades, that's what sharing information online one.
A third party coming in and saying "hey, everybody stop talking to each other, just talk to us and we'll intermediate and eventually replace every interaction between you, and charge money for it, and fill it up with advertising and eventual enshittification" is not aligned with my goals there at all.
So the problem is with search engines, not the communities they index.
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> A third party coming in and saying "hey, everybody stop talking to each other, just talk to us and we'll intermediate and eventually replace every interaction between you, and charge money for it
which doesn't seem to be the case in forums and message boards.
Yeah, I mean, in the last year every search engine, every browser, every SaaS app I have to use for work... They have all compromised their UX to put a chat bot front-end-centre. And in the majority of cases, that chat bot doesn't seem to enable any new use-cases. It's just bandwagoning...
Anyway, many Europeans and European institutions are definitely contending indirectly on all kinds of sides, by holding equity of all those companies. ;)
I think originally the EU was conceived as a peace project and it succeeded so far in that. Some do not like how it evolves, some want the benefits of the market but not the rules that come with it. Ok, but at least nowadays the EU is promising more than just the market, for instance democratic standards, health regulation, social cohesion, addressing climate change.
I think it's not fair to pick the one thing that appeals to some group and say, this was their mission and they've lost track of what they exist for. I do not think this was ever the case and certainly isn't the case now.
Yes and they believed that the solution that would provide peace would be mixing their economies so they no longer competing directly and instead had a common market like the USA.
Which has slowly been happening the whole time the EU existed, no?
The difference between a single market like the USA, and the EU has much more to do with cultural and language barriers, at the same time different countries in the EU have found their niche in the common market, different countries have their own comparative advantages, and use that to supply other EU members much more easily than pre-EU.
Can you expand on the argument that the EU has failed as a single market? Quite curious to hear that perspective.
He seemed very content in the end that Apple is on the right track and set up correctly for the future. I don't think he was talking about profit margins, but rather about the soul of the company, if there is such a thing.
I think everyone has a right to opt out of politics. Nobody should have to pay attention or have opinions or be an activist. But that doesn’t mean their actions aren’t affecting the politics, nor does it make them immune from being judged.
Good point, why not? Communicating it back to us could be a problem.
Hmm.. what if future ais hide data from us in dimensions we can’t wrap our heads around?
I think that's unkind absent any proof otherwise which you haven't posted.
In reality a lot of the heavily used parts of Linux (and open source generally) are going to have some commercial involvement or are we suggesting that no one should be paid by any of the companies backing Linux who use Linux because to me that sounds worse.
Whether you like it or not, Linux/Open Source hasn't been entirely the preserve of unpaid people doing it for fun for a long time.
The whole thread started someone making the wrong point that:
>They are of no commercial interest to Ubuntu.
Which is plainly false.
Julian can believe whatever he wants, in fact the more naively idealistic he is the better for Canonical.
The fact of the matter is that corporate Linux's benefits from impossible to run setups. That's the whole business model. The more convoluted the setup is the more money they make. Rust fits into this business model perfectly.
You'd think people would have learned this after the Nth rug pull from supposed champions of free software like RedHat.
My whole point, which you've missed, is that the _interest_ is what we should be looking at. I don't care if he says he does or doesn't act on it. He has the interest.
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