Heck, I'm a gamedev right now and I completely understand the not going back bit

Wow this stinks, I've been using this pretty heavily for the last while and really like it, but this kind of rugpull type thing is a pretty bad move.

I wonder, do all the old versions on pip stay there or are they planning on pulling those too, breaking everyones programs?

.. Mostly just wondering because the website seemingly doesn't mention it.

yeah I'm very much in the same boat...

It's still funny to me how something titled "Sane C++ libraries" has zero interop with the STL; guaranteeing an even more fragmented C++ ecosystem.

C++ has its place, but something new could not possibly displace it soon enough, even with C it feels like libraries fit together more easily.

Its the very reason C++ is still alive. Its unopinionated on how u code and coding enviroment. Plenty of other language are far more restricted in their ecosystem

I just think things could be a little more aligned as I use C++ daily and often end up interacting with many different libraries and each has their own slightly idiosynchratic String/Vector/etc type, which quickly makes life.. interesting

But I see the point in it helping C++'s unusual longevity as well

Yes the library is trying to model an alternative C++ world where the standard library tries to be more like the standard libraries of other languages (Python, nodeJS for example) providing actual functionality out of the box rather than just "containers and algorithms".

Huh right I see, I do like the idea of that and I wish that is what the actual C++ stdlib was more like, it would make my life of using C++ a lot more pleasant than it currently is :)

(also sorry my initial comment came off like ragging on your library, it wasn't meant that way, it was more of a commentary on the overall state of the C++ ecosystem, so I appreciate people with a slightly broader view like yours!)

Yes, I am trying to make C++ more pleasant than t currently is :) I like Python and JS ecosystems a lot (but also Zig and well done C libraries) and I'm trying to learn a tiny bit by their success and bring it to C++, that is my favorite language)

No problem at all for your initial comment! I share similar sentiment, I've found a lot easier in the past glueing C libraries to do something more than trying to integrate a C++ library for the exact reasons you're describing...

The only worse thing than Sweden practically doing nothing (saying this as an insufferable swede myself) are the insufferable articles somehow touting the superiority of the approach, as some sort of underdog or challenger?

The mention of Swedish exceptionalism rings true and some self-awareness would be helpful, not sure can you use that term unironically here..

Sweden has imposed several restrictions and Sweden will have problems regardless of lock-down or not due to a very limited amount of ICU beds.

IMO all similar countries will have lots of deaths and tragedies during this pandemic. It's a really tough virus.

In C (and C++) something as simple as forgetting to initialize a variable lands you in UB-land already, nearly every person I knew when I was learning myself (and still now) ran into these things _very quickly_.

Not to mention compilers make fun-times out of this by sometimes zeroing memory in debug and then not doing so for release builds (Hi MSVC!)..

The "thin layer over hardware" idea is a thing of the past as soon as optimizations come into the picture, and even then.

I wish standardizing documentation tooling (everyone uses a different tool today and ddoc by default has _no_ styling, no navigation, no nothing, so usually nobody writes docs for their code unless it's a big project like vibe.d) and IDE support was on this list (vscode centric tools exist and mostly work, but it's still fairly hit and miss) .. D's tooling has languished for a long time even if it is a great language otherwise.

I've been working on that with my dpldocs.info site. Dub packages get linked to it automatically unless they manually override (which I didn't want to allow in the name of standardization but got overruled :( )... but like tons of things are still just plain missing docs and nothing I can do about that automatically.

We are considering hurting their search result score based on doc coverage tho.

Visual D with Visual Studio is the gold standard, with full debugging, autocomplete, and static analysis support.

Code-D with VS Code is also great, and it has fairly recently gotten funding from the D Language Foundation for further development.

There's also DCD, D-Scanner and dfmt which can be used with a lot of different editors.

Also, what's the difference between code-d [1] and dlang-vscode [2]

[1] https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=webfreak...

[2] https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=dlang-vs...

Edit: It seems that dlang-vscode recommends to instead use vscode-dls [3] or code-dlang.

[3] https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=LaurentT...

Do either Visual D or Code-D work with Linux or WSL? It would be really nice to have the GUI for debugging linux code. Some libraries are just much easier to get set up in linux.

Visual D is a plugin for Visual Studio, so no. Code-D is a plugin for VS Code, so it works anywhere VS Code does.

These kinds of things are interesting, but at the same time I doubt the people making these things overlap with the set that build safety critical systems actually dealing with the constraints necessary to not kill people when things go wrong..

At least some of the people who do this kind of thing take safety very seriously.

https://openaps.org/reference-design/

That's nice to see, some of my pessismism may be unfounded then :)

The article reads a bit like a rather long way for the author to excuse avoid learning a few of the natural languages of which it seems he would have much use. (Like French that they mention half their family speaking, or Mandarin with which they say they have a fascination..)

But also predicating all learning on its "objective usefulness" (however way you try to quantify this) seems short-sighted, what's the fun in learning something you know is useful but don't enjoy?

Somewhere there's a balance surely..

Why not both? It's not an either/or necessarily (your friends are probably not there right that moment).

There's plenty of games that still embrace modding and sandboxes, you just have to look outside the AAA mainstream.