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> My hope (as a West German) is that investments like this, will increase East-Germany's economy such that they are finally equal in terms of economic wealth

Is this a bad joke? Is it possible that you actually don't comprehend the ramifications of eternal human labor trafficking?


He's referring to the difference in wealth between East and West Germany which is arguably the cause of many political and social issues in Germany. The influx of money into the region could reduce the disparity.

My guess is that you are referring to the difference in wealth between India and Germany. I'm not sure that the pearl clutching was helpful. It would have been better to clarify your assumptions or If indeed you were talking about Germany internal issues then clarify how labor trafficking is a factor here. We'll all be better for it.


> The influx of money into the region could reduce the disparity.

Money in the region would help but I don't see it happening since Poland is just a few km away and a more lucrative target for attracting investments from west Germany due to having less red tape, and lower taxes and regulations.

East Germany can't compete with that so it seems it be forever be this "desert" in between west Germany and Poland where nobody wants to live and invest.

I see this as a fault of the German gov for not making east Germany an attractive place for investors.


This post is literally about building a "large" factory for highly specialized workers in East Germany. The influx will be there, whether that's enough to solve the issue it's a different topic. Anyway, I was referring to the original commenter's intention, not my personal opinion.


>The influx will be there, whether that's enough to solve the issue it's a different topic.

It's not. I've seen this play out before in my poor home town that become a hotspot for tech investments in the span of 10 years.

All those new jobs in the semi industry will require some skills and education, and people who have that kind of skills and education, are (usually) not racists to attack people on the streets based on their color and go to racist protests, but the contrary, tend to be well spoken and liberal.

It will simply increase the inequality between the uneducated racist locals and the well educated foreigners who come for those well paying jobs and raise rent prices and cost of living, throwing more fuel on the racist fire, and pointing the target on the foreigners for being to blame for making life more expensive for the locals.

This issue is solved through education and career re-orientation opportunities, not by bringing some high end jobs that are out of reach for those locals anyway.


Bavaria is right next to the Czech Republic and should have the same problems, yet isn't exactly a 'desert' as you call it.

Large scale outsourcing (and investments) to Poland, the Czech Republic and the rest of Eastern Europe had already happened during the 90s, after that it was China. Everything that can be outsourced in Germany has already been outsourced during the last 30 years, yet the sky hasn't fallen so far.


> Is it possible that you actually don't comprehend the ramifications of eternal human labor trafficking?

Probably not. I don't even know what it means/you mean.


When rich nations destabilize poor nations and incentivize cheap labor to migrate to the rich nation.


Poor nations are exceptionally good at destabilising themselves - as a person from one of them. The idea that they are getting mistreated would be music to the ears of our ruling elites - perhaps hinting that they might get their "virtual slaves" back from Europe.


You might get more traction calling it "brain drain", since that's the more common term in at least the US.


Is it "brain drain" when it's "cheap labor" that's moving, as claimed by the parent comment?

Regardless, doesn't matter, since their entire point is based on a very flawed and naive idea of economic development.


> eternal human labor trafficking

What does this mean? Are there people being trafficked in eastern Germany?


Yes, and it's nothing new.


Apart from just your statement this is the first time I hear about this. I mean there is trafficking everywhere but you statement makes it sound like it’s on a much grander scale. Care to provide more info?


> When will we ever get serious about law enforcement for this type of crime?

No sooner than the day we abolish the profit motive.


It's not the phone carriers' problem FYI.


It is in that if they supported MMS then we would not need to use WhatsApp


All phone carriers support MMS.


In the UK at least you need to pay for it - SMS and WhatsApp are free


My sweet summer child...


> Everything works.

...if you're a software engineer. If you need Photoshop or Word or another industry standard software then you don't count.


>>...if you're a software engineer.

I'm a software engineer and you'd have to pry Visual Studio out of my cold dead hands, it's the reason why I deal with all the nonsense of using Windows.


Out of curiosity, how does Visual Studio (proper) stack up against JetBrains tools, especially CLion?


But you can only use it to write Windows software?

Unless you mean VSCode which is cross platform.


Visual Studio supports development for linux using remote linux machines, virtual machines or WSL for execution.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/linux/download-install...


I think they must mean legacy visual studio, rather than VSCode.

VSCode is of course very portable. It also seems to be Microsoft’s (successful) attempt to get everybody to use a reasonable Linux-style workfow. If you look at it as a text editor and terminal in a tiling window manager, it suddenly makes sense that it became so popular.


There is nothing legacy about Visual Studio. There is simply no equivalent of its debugging and profiling capabilities in C++ and C# especially in graphics / game development. No such equivalent exist in Unix world including macOS. They set the bar.


Agreed, but all those features don't help at all if you are doing software for platforms that aren't Windows or apparently the major game consoles.


Have you tried Vtune? I don’t do much profiling, so I’m not sure what exactly good is, but when I’ve played around with it, it seemed neat.


I've never tried it but does anyone know how C/C++ development is in Xcode?


I'm a games developer - PS5/Xbox/Switch have excellent VS integration. And yes I mean the full fat VS.


Oh I didn't know that. Those versions aren't accessible for us plebs :)


If you're referring to Visual Studio, then Visual Studio Community[0] is free (for individuals and "non-enterprise organizations") and is equivalent to Visual Studio Professional.

[0]: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/


The console SDKs. I know what Visual Studios are available for Windows. Until 18 hours ago I had no idea you can develop for Nintendo/Sony with it.


> If you need Photoshop or Word or another industry standard software then you don't count.

But you can always use GIMP, right?!

OK, this was a bad joke.


To be fair this is adobe's fault. The only reason it isn't available on linux is because adobe goes to great technical and legal lengths to ensure it can't be. A VM with seamless windowing isn't a bad solution for running that kind of forcewear, compromising the whole host OS seems excessive.


Blaming doesn't fix anything. The real point here is that it's a political issue and the open source community is too infantile for politics so they keep lying to themselves instead.


I wonder if it would work under a vfio system.


Almost surely! Outside of seeing obvious signs like VirtIO devices, one can go to great lengths to hide the virtualization

Similar tricks that work for the ESEA Anti Cheat client and Nvidia code 43 will likely suffice

VFIO takes this a step further and provides one less virtualized device


I really want to try VFIO and ditch my windows install completely but I'm worried about anti cheats. Nice to hear there are steps you can take...

You have experience with this? If so, just wondering...are there linux distributions to avoid for VFIO? I'm between arch and NixOS, nothing too outside of the mainstream.


It's definitely worth a whirl! Some anti-cheats are more effective at catching this than others.

I was using this as my method of 'Gaming on Linux' until Proton became a thing.

Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well. I even had SLi working with two RTX2080s! Hacked drivers and EFIGuard to bypass security things

Valorant was the one game I couldn't really manage.

Perhaps with more determination, but I lost interest rather quickly. Not that into the game and Proton really hurt my VFIO involvement; the timing was unfortunate.

There are some rote edits to the libvirt XML I can't recall. Both to get the nvidia driver to work (if applicable, look for 'code 43'), and to hide the VM state for anti-cheats.

You'll generally be well served by your distribution of choice with modern kernels and QEMU/libvirt.

I don't know Nix well, but from what I gather, you get to pick a lot... so it shouldn't be a problem. Arch is Arch, it'll be fine being so new!


> Lots of experience, indeed, though my memory hasn't aged particularly well.

That's kind of hilarious because my aging thing is manifesting itself in making me unable to play more complicated games. Like, I wish I could get into dwarf fortress or the new baldur's gate but always feel fried and opt for a round of call of duty (and now diablo 4). Those games are require 0 reading, it's all instinct and nothing in the game happens without some audio-visual feedback...

The irony here is that I might take a deep dive into VFIO because call of duty is one of those games that will never work with Proton...I guess for you that was Valorant?

These must all be the side effect of having kernel level anti cheat programs running on Windows and very dedicated anti-cheating teams.

> I don't know Nix well, but from what I gather, you get to pick a lot... so it shouldn't be a problem. Arch is Arch, it'll be fine being so new!

I have a habit of setting up linux machines and forgetting the process. I'm hoping NixOS will help with that :D


Don't worry, you're not alone! I have the same 'aging problem'

Though... I suspect it's a compound issue. Work is draining! Mindless fun is all I can handle, too :D

Kernel level anti-cheat is indeed the bane of Proton. Fortunately, VFIO can help there - giving a full trusty Windows kernel.

I long for a future where 'we' collectively reject these. I believe there are less-technically-invasive methods for dealing with cheaters than... essentially writing a driver and creating attack surface area.

NixOS should indeed - forcing you to write things down as you go!

I'm partial to Ansible for this, personally. You can automate quite a lot with it - there's a very healthy ecosystem of modules for almost anything you could imagine

If written well, it will work on any distribution. It's a fun challenge/art


> adobe goes to great technical and legal lengths to ensure it can't be

Could you elaborate? It was my impression they simply didn't care, but I never looked into it.


You can use Krita! It’s legitimately very good.


not industry standard, useless


How is an amazing, advanced, free design program “useless”? If you can’t dictate the tools you use at work you should find a new job.


GIMP's pretty good


Also, no cloud or subscription required.


Creative Cloud has a web version of Photoshop[1] supposedly and then there's Office 365, which has been around for a good long while now. I suppose one could use those if need be.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Creative_Cloud#Desktop,_...


"don't count" as far as Adobe and Microsoft are concerned, yes. You can't blame the people that spend a lot of their free time trying to bring free software to a free platform for not coming up with something that can act as well as Photoshop or Word and fit in with their ecosystems well given the way those companies try to lock things down.


Honestly this sounds like a terrible platform for advertising.


The top 50% of taxpayers control 97.6% of the wealth.


Yep, and they pay lots of taxes. Actually a staggeringly close percentage When You See It side by side


While many surely do their best, nobody supports a family on 20k/yr in the US.


Not well, and usually not without assistance. Lots of people making 20K a year have families.


> why would people work hard without personal upside?

Define "personal upside" because people work hard all the time absent a path to power, or even material benefit! Come to think of it, why do people have children?

Humans are social animals and they are deeply moved to work extremely hard for the sake of love, dignity, and respect alone. Contrary to the nonsense picture you paint, humans only lose touch with such desires in the face of hopelessness to realize them.


> Humans are social animals and they are deeply moved to work extremely hard for the sake of love, dignity, and respect alone. Contrary to the nonsense picture you paint, humans only lose touch with such desires in the face of hopelessness to realize them.

This is bullshit, and obviously so. Humans are by nature lazy. If you give people food and comfort, they will work the barest minimum they can to not be bored, and practically speaking, they'll pick an unproductive hobby (like gaming or idle art) instead of the stuff that society needs to function.

People have kids because having a kid is a deeply rewarding experience. Very few people are going to volunteer to work in mines, maintain sewer systems, or farm for other people to eat.


I believe you are being sincere, which saddens me greatly. I hope one day you find your way to a community where the common good is celebrated rather than denigrated. I can only assume that it is a lack of experience that leads you to believe that the world must be so and cannot be otherwise.


Unmatched doesn’t make it qualitatively unique. It’s a problem everywhere.


If the problem is much bigger from certain countries then I would say that qualifies as qualitatively unique.


Isn't the population of China much bigger as well? Laws of percentages and what not can go along way. Has anyone displayed a percentage of rushed/inaccurate studies between countries to see if the lines normalize?


i saw such a chart a few days ago, specifically for withdrawn papers -- forgive me if i can't dig it up again but china made up something like 50% of the total number

e: recollection was slightly off but it is actually much worse! https://sci-hub.ru/10.1007/s11948-017-9939-6

china is truly in a league of its own with this stuff, by literal orders of magnitude


Population of researchers != Population it's more than 4x as large in terms of population but only has ~25% more researchers while having around 50x the retractions.


> Isn't the population of China much bigger as well?

Yes, but official government stats have also been overstating the population a bit. I think it mostly affects the younger generation at present though.


lol I don’t know where you got this impression but during the one-child policy phase it’s widely known that people would underreport their kids to avoid fines. Why would the population be overstated?


> lol I don’t know where you got this impression but during the one-child policy phase it’s widely known that people would underreport their kids to avoid fines.

The news mostly. But also this guy[1], who I guess is using the leaked data. But even the official data shows a huge drop in the 0-4 bucket.

> Why would the population be overstated?

As I understand it[2], the local governments are reliant on two sources for income: land sales and money from the central government. Both are influenced by demographic change, so there's incentives to adjust the numbers upwards to keep revenue coming in.

[1]: https://zeihan.com/new-chinese-demographic-data-population-c... [2]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-13/china-s-p...


If those certain countries have a very big population I'd say is more of a quantitative issue. If china had 10 scientists they couldn't pump as many papers, fake or good or not as if they're 1million scientists


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