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This is an important point: in a lot of ways, SMRs are a strictly worse than 1000MW plant. The potential financial benefits come from all the other factors you mentioned. I would rather have a "worse" nuclear power plant that actually gets built.


Why? It then proves nuclear is uneconomical?

Regulatory arbitration like this serves nothing?

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see more nuclear, but bad nuclear is not in fact better than none.


It gives evidence the viability of nuclear is a political choice. China is using proven designs and delivering a good price for base load.


The hope of SMR is that it can be cost-effective at the same level that other factory-produced power sources are. If that's not on the table, then large-scale nuclear deployment mostly isn't going to happen.


Nuclear regulation could genuinely do with a lot of reforms that would streamline the process without appreciably impacting safety. Everyone would benefit. And that's the huge problem with the administration's breaking of trust and naked corruption: we as a lay people, what should we think if they come out with a bunch of proposals eliminate a bunch of commercial licensing requirement and lowering radiation safety standards? Is that because the old rules are genuinely archaic and not serving their purpose... or because Trump's family and donors are personally financially invested in the very companies mentioned in this article.


A lot of people are betting serious money that they will cheaper, more flexible, faster to build, and safer. Including me - I'm working in the industry, and I think they might very well be future backbone of energy production.

But there's a real possibility when all this shakes out that SMR's only advantage will be their flexibility. And that might be enough. A major issue with gigawatt scale nuclear is that it's frankly too big for most markets. Only very large electric markets can can easily digest a new always-on 1000 megawatts of electricity, and you need to be building multiple plants at a time for this all to be economical. That's why the nuclear power rollout of the 60s through 80s worked, and why China and to a lesser extent India's nuclear industry is thriving presently.

With an SMRs smaller scale, there are just way more available projects where nuclear is feasible, and so a more consistent workload can keep everyone employed and subcontractor's backlogs filled. The flexibility in scaling lets you reclaim the benefits of having an experienced workforce and that knows how to build nuclear power plants, something we lost in the west when we stopped building them.


What % of global electricity production is in too small markets? Seems to be working well in EU at least, markets and grids being multinational.

I'd guess many places in Africa could be potential markets that have underdeveloped grids but growing economies and populations. Hence the SMR industry in South Africa since the 90s I guess.


We're looking specifically at new power plant builds. The majority of that is in Asia, with China and India being the bulk of it. But there is a lot of Asia outside of those two, and in particular Southeast Asia has a lot of potential. There is a lot of long distance transmission line connectivity already, and more planned, but you still want to product power close to where it's used so as to avoid losses in transmission. And the finances for a smaller country are just more straightforward if you're not spending multiple billions of dollars on one giant plant.

The next big market is actually replacement plants in the USA and Europe. Electricity generation may have peaked there, but much of the generating capacity is decades old and needs replacement. There are a lot of smaller facilities that are not gigawatt-scale that need to shut down, and it's easier to plug that gap with SMRs.

South and Central America are small markets, but they won't be ignored. There is a lot of complexity here with the inter-national hydro projects and broken up grids, so I'm sure some countries will look into SMRs.

Africa unfortunately just doesn't factor in except as a long-term possibility for growth. It's only 3% of electricity generation now, and its share will probably fall as Asia electrifies.

This is all worst-case scenario where SMRs are less financially competitive than current gigawatt-scale designs. If SMRs do actually succeed in being cheap assembly-line reactors, then all bets are off and the industry will experience explosive growth.


Even in Europe you can't necessarily bring online a 1200+ MW plant just anywhere, especially in the recent market where some PV production is curtailed in summer and brings the spot rates to zero.

In theory we should start investing in synthetic fuel production, but it's been mostly vaporware so far.


The problem is that you can’t assume ”always on” anymore.

Why should consumers choose expensive nuclear powered electricity when cheap renewables, or stored renewables are available?

They don’t and now capacity factors crater.

Leading to what was once seen as ”baseload” plants being forced to become peakers. And running a nuclear plant with those fixed costs as a peaker/firming becomes stupidly expensive per MWh produced.

See this Australian ”baseload” coal plant forced into a peaker role or be decommissioned.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-13/australian-coal-plant...


Baseload is simply the lowest wattage your grid demands in a time period. Solar and wind have not made it irrelevant at all. All of the demand from data centers very much assumes constant reliable power which is in fact a perfect match for nuclear.


What solar and wind have made irrelevant is the assumption that constant supply of the baseload is an addressable market for a power plant. That only works if the supply is the cheapest on the market (something nuclear has even historically struggled to achieve without big subsidies), and solar and wind will supply the baseload much cheaper than any other source when they're running, causing a lot of problems for any plant on the grid that wants to run at a constant output.


There needs to be a market mechanism to ensure there is enough dispatchable spare capacity to meet demand when solar and wind can't supply it. More reliable sources of power are inherently more valuable.


Yes. That’s called ancillary markets. One such are ”capacity markets”.

Nuclear power’s problem is that neither its spread between CAPEX and OPEX, nor its operational profile fits them.

We also have electricity futures. Again with the problem that their cost is far far below what new built nuclear power requires.

Here’s some reading on electricity futures:

https://www.next-kraftwerke.com/knowledge/futures-market


The flawed economics of nuclear are largely do the NRC basically making it as hard as possible to make a new reactor. China and Korea can build reactors for reasonable cost per watt.


Why should your data center buy multiples more expensive nuclear powered electricity when renewables or stored renewables are available? They won’t.

And even if they sign a PPA the renewable arbitrage they could do exerts large downward pressure on the price they are willing to pay.

Which is to say, they would want to sign a contract saying ”deliver cheap reliable electricity when renewables and storage doesn’t do it”.

And now you are trying to fit an extremely CAPEX heavy square into a round OPEX sized firming hole.


Data centers are only 5-10% of all US electric power demand. A significant fraction of that load is responsive to spot market price. DCs incorporate their own battery storage infrastructure for backup purposes and some even sell stored energy back to the grid during times of high demand.


it is not at all a perfect match for nuclear. Solar produces incredibly cheap power for the daytime hours, pushing the nuclear off the grid (why would a data center buy expensive nuke power in the hours when cheap renewables are available?). Nuclear needs to be running and selling power at its high price 24/7 for it to be even close to economically viable. Only supplying power that people want(due to its high price) during the night is fatal to nuclear.

Thats what OP means by baseload generation being irrelevant.


Data centers need power at night

How about you try to explain how this changes the economics of nuclear, and I’ll wait.

> Why should consumers choose expensive nuclear powered electricity when cheap renewables, or stored renewables are available?

That's why truly free markets are a bad idea? We've been through this.

Repeat after me: the value of the electric grid is in its stability. It must not go down regardless of pesky events like the winter or cloud cover.

You don't get to sell below cost to push out your competitors, thanks to regulations.

But hell, whatever, I agree — let's only use solar & wind and see how it goes :)

Oh, now you want to burn coal/gas? Awww. Remind me, what was the cost of climate change again?


Not sure why you are being condescending.

Perfect reliability is not worth the squeeze. In Sweden, which is a very electrified country with harsh winters, the figure is that it is acceptable to have 1.52 hours per year of not matching demand with production. Paying for more reliability is simply not worth it.

The research has lately focused on system costs. Finding renewable systems vastly cheaper than if involving new built nuclear power.

Here are two modern papers on the subject:

https://www.csiro.au/-/media/Energy/GenCost-2025-26-Final/Ge...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S036054422...


Big reactors also need a lot of cooling, and we've just had a very dry summer in Europe which forced some nuclear power stations to dial down or shut down entirely.


They were in a sense correct, because the aerosol cooling they were worried about did in fact (and continues to) have a fairly significant cooling effect... one that is offsetting the rapid warming that CO2 is causing presently.


I would rather be market-corrected out of a job for a few weeks or months than have this inflate into an economy-wrecking bubble that derails my career and life for years. I'm worried that we're at that state already...


The thing about the past is that it's the past. Things change, big changes do not bring back the past. They change things.

If you are market-corrected out of a job that situation most software engineers will be out of a job for years and wages will not recover for decades, or just never.


The trajectory of feudalism has always bent towards low wages and high rent extraction. There is no possible future where we stay with feudalism but increase wages.


Let's see ... feudalism started with slave labour (which is what muslims are still fighting for, fighting to bring it back), there were many bills of rights. Feudalism more or less started with Christianity forcibly implementing the right to quit your job, any job, including slavery, and ended with equality for all.

So: nope. Quite the opposite. Feudalism was a very slow increase in rights for normal people over time.


It's just a good knot. The only downside is that it is very slightly more complex than a regular shoelace knot (you pass-through both loops instead of just one). But otherwise, it's only upsides: completely secure, unties exactly as easily and quickly as a regular shoelace knot, and it even lays more horizontally than a regular shoelace knot.


This is basically correct in the sense that we cannot simply just force everyone in, say, Minnesota to install electric baseboard heating, rooftop solar, and a battery pack, and then expect them to stay warm. There are periods of extended extreme cold and low solar flux where you would simply not be able to warm everyone's house - that's just physics.

But there are a lot of extra things you can do as an intermediate steps to dramatically close the gap. The main ones are:

1. Homes can be renovated to improve insulation 2. Cold weather heat pumps can handle most mild winter conditions efficiently 3. Electricity doesn't all have to be locally generated - it can be transmitted from other parts of the country. 4. You can keep using fossil fuel peaker plants, and still have incredible reduced overall emissions


The West is getting very cavalier about murdering the government officials of other countries.


A window in Russia is likely far more deadly than any of the western security services.



It's probably not a necessity - I'm sure I could adapt to just using my smartphone if I put the time into learning some of the math apps. I still use my ti-89 for everyday calculations. It's a handy device; more portable than a laptop, and better UI than a smartphone. I don't deny myself from using a tool I like.


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