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Materialists always seem to forget that they're kicking the can down the road.


There's no non-physical "ghost in the machine," and I don't even see the value in probing consciousness down to its most fundamental essence.


So, we know enough now, and it's time to quit sciencing about it? Weird response.


> There's no non-physical "ghost in the machine"

But of course there is a physical one, that at some point appears. Or, it is a kind of gradation that at its highest peak is a human, and at its deepest depths is...


Penrose is very much a materialist. He thinks that humans could someday create machines that can tap into whatever quantum effects the brain uses.


I didn't say I wasn't a materialist :). It's important for consciousness philosophers to have a sense of humour, I think (and remember the shortcomings of their own arguments).




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