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Honestly, I think it's a dedication to competence and good engineering. Say what you like about Apple, but they try damn hard to make everything "just works" (often at the expense of interoperability and maintainability). People complain about all sorts of flaws, but the outrage comes from an underlying expectation that Apple products should be flawless. Apple users yell bloody murder when their phone loses signal when held a certain way; Windows users lose their work to a spontaneous reboot, and sigh and move on with their day.

When you can convince people that all they have to do is buy in to your system and everything will be fine, that gets you religious levels of dedication. And of course the people who buy in are deeply invested in their not-easily-reversed decision, so they market you for free!



> Windows users lose their work to a spontaneous reboot, and sigh and move on with their day.

I keep hearing about this, but except for BSODs (which are super rare these days), but I haven't ever had this happen to me. My guess is that the people complaining about this stuff are the ones abusing their systems, and not telling you that part (the kind that would postpone updates for <<years>> and then wonder why Sasser or whatever were a thing).


Happened to me last week ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Lost an overnight run's worth of CFD calculations.

There's a toggle switch in update settings to explicitly disallow rebooting without intervention. It was ignored. Checked the system log and everything.

I guess I'm just holding it wrong...


>disallow rebooting without intervention.

That one is a fair point. I bet it did have 'intervention', showed a message it would reboot in whatever minutes and proceeded later.

Personally I use windows offline updater, and ignore the built-in 'windows updater'. 'shutdown /a' aborts an initiated shutdown


>BSODs

yup, save for overclocking (or undervolting, which is essentially the same) I have not seen BSODs for a decade plus. I have seen laptops overheat due to clogged/uncleaned air vents, but that's a hardware issue.

flip note: what's wrong w/ the parent's post to deserve the downvotes.


>flip note: what's wrong w/ the parent's post to deserve the downvotes.

Probably people are rattled at being told that the well-documented phenomenon of spontaneous Windows reboots are somehow their own fault for "abusing their systems".


Nope. Vanilla Windows 10 is set to download and update itself automatically, which it seems to do at the most inconvenient moments. It's absolutely infuriating.


This reads as the kind of brand loyalty of which I speak, frankness be.

> but the outrage comes from an underlying expectation that Apple products should be flawless.

This is particularly silly. Apple has a reputation for product tying and expecting one to buy other products, also made by Apple. We've all seen the MacBook Wheel parody that, though parodious and exaggerated, shows the reputation it has for form-over-function and consumers that are too loyal to see they are paying more for less.

If Microsoft were to require something such as this, no one would come to it's defence on the same level I've seen with Apple, except, as said, with XBox, but that seems to be a common thing with gaming consoles, but Nintendo seemingly enjoying even higher loyalty.


>Honestly, I think it's a dedication to competence and good engineering.

Apple is fully form over function. Macs laptops are anything but good engineering (hardware wise)


Yup, there are aspects of Apple's offerings that are form over function (No, I do not need laptop parts in my desktop so you can make it thin just because). However, I'm a Mac user not because of the pro's/con's of just the hardware or just the software, but the overall experience - from using, maintaining, buying, servicing. It's frictionless. It feels better.

I prefer it. I have Windows and Linux boxes (gaming and tinkering respectively) but when I just want to do stuff I reflexively grab for my Macs.

If they don't have the same value to you - great. That's why it's awesome to have choice. But pretending there is no difference in value for everyone because there isn't any for you is silly (and more than a tad narcissistic).




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